I don't really understand the culpability of Travis Scott in this situation. He can't really see or know what is going on in the crowd and unless he is on the stage giving commands to the crowd to trample each other I'm not sure what else he can do. Aside from the deaths, this is pretty common action at concerts/festivals. Crowds are always tightly packed, people pass out and some people get injured.
There are tons of comparisons videos out there right now between Travis Scott goading his attendees to push or beat up one another and other bands who stop shows immediately for safety reasons or tell the crowd to stop and pick someone off the ground etc.
Then Scott also posted a bunch of crocodile tears fake apologies as well that were extremely disingenous.
When I was growing up as a young teen I was into the grunge scene at the time and mosh pits were the place to be at the time. They were scary, out of control and very violent. There were probably many deaths at those shows that never really hit the media. I recall a Pearl Jam death at some point in the mid 90s and it was shocking but not overly surprising if you ever took part in a mosh pit. It happened before I was born, in my youth and it will continue to happen after I am dead. They are tragic events but it is risk that comes with the environment.
Dude maybe read more on this situation first and mosh pits in general.
Scott encouraged fans to fight security. He encouraged them to rush the stage. He’s done both before. He’s incited the crowd at previous concerts. He’s repeatedly incited fan on fan violence at his concerts.
Furthermore, moshing has absolutely nothing to do with trampling/getting crushed. There have been crushing/trampling incidents at Adele concerts. People jumping/pushing/moshing is actually impossible when there’s a crush. Violence in mosh pits is completely unrelated to what happened here and it is tone deaf and flat out wrong to even suggest mosh pits have anything to do with what happened or that this is an expected risk at a concert.
What happens in these situations is the artist is usually told to stop the concert and won’t start again until every backs up and stops the crush so that people have room to move and breathe. Travis did none of this. He watched and kept singing while it happened.
Organizers and security are partly to blame and they’ve already been avoiding any and all responsibility during the press conferences. Scott should get sued into oblivion but I doubt anything will happen.
Over 300 people were injured, most of them minors and multiple minors died.
This was 100% avoidable and is entirely the fault of the organizers, security and the artist. He kept playing for something like 45 minutes while people died and got injured right in front of him.
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When I was growing up as a young teen I was into the grunge scene at the time and mosh pits were the place to be at the time. They were scary, out of control and very violent. There were probably many deaths at those shows that never really hit the media. I recall a Pearl Jam death at some point in the mid 90s and it was shocking but not overly surprising if you ever took part in a mosh pit. It happened before I was born, in my youth and it will continue to happen after I am dead. They are tragic events but it is risk that comes with the environment.
9 People died at the Pearl Jam Concert.
11 People died at a Who concert in the 70s.
I'm sure there are many other examples sadly.
None of them seem to have the artist willingly continue to keep playing while watching dead bodies carried out, encouraging the crowd to get violent and rush the stage and continuing this repeated level of ignorance towards crowd safety over many years/shows.
I don't know if you're a Travis Scott super fanboy or something, but trying to act like he's just like these other artists despite all of the video and evidence shown to you is insane.
The rapper is known for his wild shows, and has been in trouble for inciting dangerous behaviour in the past.
In 2015, he was charged with disorderly conduct after encouraging fans in Chicago to ignore security and rush the stage.
Two years later, he spotted a fan hanging from a venue's second-storey balcony and tried to persuade them to jump. At the same concert, a 27-year-old fan was paralysed after being pushed off a third-floor balcony.
In 2019, hundreds of fans rushed the Astroworld barriers, with three people going to hospital with minor injuries. Police wrote on Twitter that the event was understaffed and that "promoters did not plan sufficiently for the large crowds", although the statement was later deleted.
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I still remember the Who 1979 concert news about the events of Cincinnati. I think 11 people died. 26 were injured and the Who and promoter lost a $2million class action lawsuit.
It for a time bought an end to festival seating for a time. But the band and promoter were found to be directly responsible. They planned for the event and organized it and hired security (Hell's Angels).
Travis Scott's name is attached to this, there's no question that there is going to be a very large class action lawsuit over this and he is going to have to settle. The video of people screaming at him to stop the show because of dead people and him ignoring it and singing through it while bodies were being carried out is damning.
I would assume that this was festival seating and not assigned seating. I would expect that this is going to be revisted for future events.
I didn't even know who this guy was until yesterday, but looking at his history, this isn't the first time that he's had problems, or egged on crowds.
Tragic sad event and yeah, the dad bringing a 9 year old to something like this, I have to wonder what he's thinking. Now it doesn't matter.
Add on from the above, The Who concert kept playing because nobody informed the band of what was happening. Travis Scott completely knew what was happening, he was staring at bodies being hauled out and continued the concert, that makes him a real POS.
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It looks like some of the injured have already launched lawsuits against Travis Scott and Drake over this.
I watched a video of people crashing the gates and fist fighting just entering the concert before it began. It should have been cancelled before it started.
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I still remember the Who 1979 concert news about the events of Cincinnati. I think 11 people died. 26 were injured and the Who and promoter lost a $2million class action lawsuit.
It for a time bought an end to festival seating for a time. But the band and promoter were found to be directly responsible. They planned for the event and organized it and hired security (Hell's Angels).
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remarkably of course was the fact that at the time there was a (hilarious) active sitcom set in a rock station in Cincinnati- this was quite an episode
9 People died at the Pearl Jam Concert.
11 People died at a Who concert in the 70s.
I'm sure there are many other examples sadly.
None of them seem to have the artist willingly continue to keep playing while watching dead bodies carried out, encouraging the crowd to get violent and rush the stage and continuing this repeated level of ignorance towards crowd safety over many years/shows.
I don't know if you're a Travis Scott super fanboy or something, but trying to act like he's just like these other artists despite all of the video and evidence shown to you is insane.
Yup - the Pearl Jam concert was stopped as soon as the situation was discovered by the band, but it was already too late for some. The Who tragedy was actually before the show even started and was related to bad crowd control on the entry to the show.
There are videos of people climbing on stage yelling to stop the show as people were dying, but nothing was done. This is clearly a different situation.
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this day and age there is so much video evidence...at one point a girl climbs on a speaker and is yelling "stop the show, there is somebody dead down there"
Ignored by everyone around
I think its time for a reality check with some of today's stars...life is not a tiktoc meme
this day and age there is so much video evidence...at one point a girl climbs on a speaker and is yelling "stop the show, there is somebody dead down there"
Ignored by everyone around
I think its time for a reality check with some of today's stars...life is not a tiktoc meme
She got booed by the crowd and a security guard threatened to push her off the camera stand if she didn’t leave.
When I was growing up as a young teen I was into the grunge scene at the time and mosh pits were the place to be at the time. They were scary, out of control and very violent. There were probably many deaths at those shows that never really hit the media. I recall a Pearl Jam death at some point in the mid 90s and it was shocking but not overly surprising if you ever took part in a mosh pit. It happened before I was born, in my youth and it will continue to happen after I am dead. They are tragic events but it is risk that comes with the environment.
I believe Pearl Jam stopped having Mosh Pits after this as a result.
Also here was the reaction during the event
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What will happen in the next five minutes has nothing to do with music,” he told the crowd. “But it is important. Imagine that I am your friend and that you must step back so as not to hurt me. You all have friends up front. I will now count to three, and you will all take three steps back. All who agree say ‘Yes’ now.”
The band members have met the victims’ families in the decades since and become close with some of them. They released a statement in June 2020, on the 20th anniversary of the tragedy:
remarkably of course was the fact that at the time there was a (hilarious) active sitcom set in a rock station in Cincinnati- this was quite an episode
Also reports of a security being shot up with something. Apparently he was going to deal with someone in front of the stage and he felt a prick in his neck. He had to be relieved with narcan. This was reported in the police press conference.
The organizers are the ones with the larger onus on safety and accountability here. To begin with they should know what to expect from the performers. It looks like Scott has a history of this and as such they should have been prepared better. Second, the organizing team has the authority and ability to kill the show and cut the mic at any time. They have hundreds if not thousands of people overseeing the show at all times in radio contact. It is easy for someone to make the call and shut things down.
I'm reminded of the situation just a couple months ago with the concert in Central Park during the hurricane. The concert started early in the day but adverse weather rolled in during the evening. Barry Manilow was on stage and during his performance the organizers came on over the sound system to announce that the concert was being suspended. The decision wasn't left to the performers and in this case it shouldn't be in the hands of Scott to call things off.
Sure, he is an idiot for wanting this type of environment at his shows but there are many layers of failure here
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Sure, he is an idiot for wanting this type of environment at his shows but there are many layers of failure here
After the person went on stage begging him to stop because people were dying, and while another person was trying to administer CPR on his friend (who died), Travis Scott started telling the crowd to go crazy and jump.
Maybe it shouldn't be up to the performer to make the decision to stop, but they certainly shouldn't be actively trying to make the situation worse.
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Travis Scott seems to be a complete POS. I don't know why festival organizers don't have emergency protocols to pull the plug on a performance as soon as an emergency arises. They should have just cut the mic and soundsystem immediately, and the only person able to address the crowd is someone who can give out instructions for people to back off etc.
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While mosh pits look scary they are literally the opposite of what kills you, its close packed crowds that kill, if you can mosh you are not in a crowd.
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