[GDT] Preseason #7. Flames @ Jets 6pm MT. calgaryflames.com - Page 2 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Enoch Root · 10-06-2021, 10:35 AM

Glad to see Coleman in the lineup

No surprise on Johnny - he has been flying, and he's ready for opening night, so it's an easy decision to give him some recovery time.

A bit surprised Monahan isn't in there - he needs to get up to game shape.

Valimaki not being in is an interesting one - it is a growing possibility that Kylington grabs his roster spot for opening night (though I believe there is going to be plenty of rotation with the D over the first 10 to 20 games)

Another chance for Duehr - really rooting for him!

And I am amazed at how many games Lucic has gotten.

Bingo · 10-06-2021, 10:36 AM

My only issue is calling something going on inside a NHL dressing room dumb. Seems disrespectful as hell, and a little silly given the guy coaching now seems to know what he's doing.

I think trying one of your best with one of your weakest is a theory ... every coach tries it.

I also think Zadorov, while not blowing me away, is getting a bit of a bad rep on some of these plays. Goal #2 in Edmonton was more about Tkachuk turning the puck over than Zadorov and Tanev getting caught up the ice as they were going for a change and expecting Tkachuk to get it deep.

He played it back and either made a bad pass or Tanev just missed it.

Enoch Root · 10-06-2021, 10:39 AM

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I still think it is weird and shortsighted to complain about coaching decisions in training camp. Every coach does his own thing and has his own plan to get the team ready for the season. It is also hard to read too much into veteran performances, or the performance of new players because they too have their own process for getting up to speed for Game #1. Sutter is one of the longest working, most accomplished coaches in the game today; this makes me think that what he is doing in pre-season Game #7 is more than likely a better approach than what any anonymous fans posting on this site would prefer to see.

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That's the thing about pre-season. Fans assume they are all trying to earn a spot for opening night, and get themselves into game shape.

While the latter is obviously true for all players, the vets could be working on all kinds of different things. Take Zadorov for instance. It is possible - likely, even - that Sutter has him working on specifics of his game, like positioning, and zone coverage. As fans, we watch the pre-season games and think 'he didn't play very well', when in reality, all he was doing was working on the exact things Sutter told him to work on.

monkeyman · 10-06-2021, 10:40 AM

I believe the game is also on NHL centre ice, which is offering a free preview on Shaw right now.

Enoch Root · 10-06-2021, 10:42 AM

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Maybe part of the reason we have slow starts is because we experiment in the preseason with things that are never going to work

Zadorov/Tanev is dumb and won’t work, let’s build chemistry and confidence with things that will

And let’s be honest, if they keep trying something this close to season start that means they are considering it for opening night. It’s too deep into training camp to just randomly be line juggling

Maybe you can text some of your better ideas to Sutter to help him out.

Cause he is only, you know, like, one of the best coaches of all time.

Drunk Uncle · 10-06-2021, 11:10 AM

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Stop trying to make Zadorov/Tanev a thing

I'll bite: the reason they are trying this is because Zadorov/Andersson looked mediocre at best in the games they played together.

It seems to make sense to give him another look with Tanev the same way they did with Andersson.

The only other option is to play Zadorov with Gudbranson or Stone. Is that preferable?

I think Zadorov's place in the line-up is the biggest question mark left for the team to answer in the preseason and certainly not something they are trying to force. They literally don't know where to put him.

BrennyBaller · 10-06-2021, 11:16 AM

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I'll bite: the reason they are trying this is because Zadorov/Andersson looked mediocre at best in the games they played together.

It seems to make sense to give him another look with Tanev the same way they did with Andersson.

The only other option is to play Zadorov with Gudbranson or Stone. Is that preferable?

I think Zadorov's place in the line-up is the biggest question mark left for the team to answer in the preseason and certainly not something they are trying to force. They literally don't know where to put him.

I'm intrigued about if one of Kylington and Zadorov could play their offside. I know Kylington apparently did in Sweden. Then you could run:

Hanifin-Tanev
Valimaki-Andersson
Zadorov-Kylington

Valimaki and Kylington could also flip-flop. Doubt it'll happen but seems like it could be worth a shot.

djsFlames · 10-06-2021, 11:21 AM

What's with the handling of Monahan?

How's he going to be ready to go as our 2C and win his matchups if he's barely played going in?

He got the surgery so that he would be 100% healthy going in. Let's utilize him like he's 100%.

Wish They Could Win · 10-06-2021, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BrennyBaller

I'm intrigued about if one of Kylington and Zadorov could play their offside. I know Kylington apparently did in Sweden. Then you could run:

Hanifin-Tanev
Valimaki-Andersson
Zadorov-Kylington

Valimaki and Kylington could also flip-flop. Doubt it'll happen but seems like it could be worth a shot.

I think we se this by season's end if the young guys all step up.

Hanifin-Andersson
Kylington-Tanev
Zadorov-Valimaki

neo45 · 10-06-2021, 11:22 AM

Or Zadorov with Valimaki seems like it could complement both players but hasn’t been tried

For all the experimentation that supposedly goes on in the preseason we still haven’t tried a left shot on the right side (unless I am mistaken) despite Zadorov, Kylington, and Valimaki’s past history of playing it

djsFlames · 10-06-2021, 11:24 AM

I have no issues with the d pairings because if Tanev and Zadorov is as bad a match as they looked last game then tonight will help seal that for the coaches.

dino7c · 10-06-2021, 11:25 AM

Just a reminder that Zadorov is a "young guy"

2 years older than Kylington not a 37 year old yet

heep223 · 10-06-2021, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

What's with the handling of Monahan?

How's he going to be ready to go as our 2C and win his matchups if he's barely played going in?

He got the surgery so that he would be 100% healthy going in. Let's utilize him like he's 100%.

Eichel talk is heating up again. With the confirmation that the Flames were deep in those discussions, wouldn't surprise me if this was related.

Canada 02 · 10-06-2021, 11:28 AM

There is no way they risk Valimaki or the current version of Kylington on waivers. Stone and Mackey have to be destined for Stockton. Other than trade, how could there be any other alternative?

HighLifeMan · 10-06-2021, 11:28 AM

I find it strange that Valimaki has been stapled to Stone/Gudbranson from day one. Not much of an opportunity there.

neo45 · 10-06-2021, 11:31 AM

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There is no way they risk Valimaki or the current version of Kylington on waivers. Stone and Mackey have to be destined for Stockton. Other than trade, how could there be any other alternative?

Mackey goes down and they carry 8 D while figuring things out into the season

Nelson · 10-06-2021, 11:44 AM

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I like the idea of playing Kylington with Gudbranson. He looked great with Tanev, but now let's see how he looks playing with a lower end guy. Hopefully he can still stand out. I really want him to make it this season.

Kylington and Gudbranson played together last game, October 4th against the Oilers, and Kylington did great.

---Hatrick--- · 10-06-2021, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

What's with the handling of Monahan?

How's he going to be ready to go as our 2C and win his matchups if he's barely played going in?

He got the surgery so that he would be 100% healthy going in. Let's utilize him like he's 100%.

It’s possible he’s not feeling 100% I suppose

scobel · 10-06-2021, 11:50 AM

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Eichel talk is heating up again. With the confirmation that the Flames were deep in those discussions, wouldn't surprise me if this was related.

Maybe it is related to Valamaki being involved as well as you would have thought he would be in. I cant see the flames going 8d all year I would think they would want to get to 7. so maybe the stars are aligning.

Drunk Uncle · 10-06-2021, 12:08 PM

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I'm intrigued about if one of Kylington and Zadorov could play their offside. I know Kylington apparently did in Sweden. Then you could run:

Hanifin-Tanev
Valimaki-Andersson
Zadorov-Kylington

Valimaki and Kylington could also flip-flop. Doubt it'll happen but seems like it could be worth a shot.

I think it's an option for D to play their offsides and if Tanev/Zadorov look poor today, I suspect they start looking at that.

I doubt it's Valimaki in the top 4 so probably Kylington and Valimaki flip flopped as you suggested.

Valimaki needs get a lot quicker with making good decisions both with and without the puck in the D-zone before he'll be trusted to move up the line-up IMO. The best place for him to get that experience is in the bottom pair playing against the other teams weaker players.

The great news about Valimaki is he has a really good mind in the O-zone and we definitely need more of that from that back-end.