[Signing] Kailer Yamamoto signs 1 yr deal with Oilers for 1.175

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Gundo

I really like this kid and think this is a steal for the Oilers.

I think Yamamoto is a good player for the Oilers. Which means they should have offered a 2 x 2 to lock him down for another year.

If they play him with Draisaitl consistently, he can be commanding 4-5m per year for 4-5 years. Good luck with that, Edmonton. The Ceci/Hyman/Nurse contracts are glorious and have handcuffed that team yet again.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

This is a really good deal and it makes me wonder what was on the table for a longer term.

[Weitz]

Nvm

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I think Yamamoto is a good player for the Oilers. Which means they should have offered a 2 x 2 to lock him down for another year.

If they play him with Draisaitl consistently, he can be commanding 4-5m per year for 4-5 years. Good luck with that, Edmonton. The Ceci/Hyman/Nurse contracts are glorious and have handcuffed that team yet again.

Has no leverage next year as he still has no arb rights or offer sheet availability as far as I know.

Edit: just relooked and the Twitter guy was wrong he actually will have arb rights. Still a good contract though.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Dube is 3 months older than Yamamoto and nominally bigger. In his 121 game sample he put up 18 goals and 43 pts and +1 Dube's numbers should be easier to sustain as they really trail Yamamoto's 20 goals 52 pts +20 in 105 games

Maybe because the Flames had cap space to burn Dube got a 3 x 2.3 M

If he was market value of 1.175 for 1 year the Flames paid him 5.725 over years 2 and 3 of his deal. 2.86 x 2

The more the Flames hand out multi-year deals to players coming off ELCs, the deeper the hole they are risking of digging themselves into.

From a distance the Oilers have a better value on their contract than the Flames have with Dube.

Who is going to have a better 2021-22?

Statistically speaking, these early 20s are a player's most productive years, so it makes sense to pay these players IMO. Although, the CBA does give these players the least amount of leverage, so I guess it makes sense to lowball these players from that perspective

[CaptainCrunch]

Last big money deal for him before he flees to Europe.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

This is a really good deal and it makes me wonder what was on the table for a longer term.

My guess is because he struggled last year he didnt like their longterm offers

Riding shotgun with McDavid or draisaitl if his counting stats go up hes gonna be looking at a lot more

[Bingo]

Yeah exactly ....

The player was pinched because he didn't have a great season. But the team couldn't fit what he would have wanted any way so they were pinched too.

Others have pointed out opportunity differences with Yamo and Dube, all solid points.

But additionally you can't just hand one team a ribbon for a great signing because it's less money. So much more goes into that.

The Flames could only fit Mangiapane at the league minimum a few years ago but that doesn't mean it was a brilliant contract as it likely cost the team more money later when he popped.

Silly to force a comparison.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Yeah exactly ....

The player was pinched because he didn't have a great season. But the team couldn't fit what he would have wanted any way so they were pinched too.

Others have pointed out opportunity differences with Yamo and Dube, all solid points.

But additionally you can't just hand one team a ribbon for a great signing because it's less money. So much more goes into that.

The Flames could only fit Mangiapane at the league minimum a few years ago but that doesn't mean it was a brilliant contract as it likely cost the team more money later when he popped.

Silly to force a comparison.

The Flames slapped Mangiapane in the face with a 2-way contract with a 70K in the minors.

But you are correct, they will pay for that as Mangiapane will either get overpaid on a long term extension or will play his arbitrated last year 22-23 as Flame before picking his team as a UFA.

It sure didn't hamper his development as a player.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The Flames slapped Mangiapane in the face with a 2-way contract with a 70K in the minors.

But you are correct, they will pay for that as Mangiapane will either get overpaid on a long term extension or will play his arbitrated last year 22-23 as Flame before picking his team as a UFA.

It sure didn't hamper his development as a player.

And Yamamoto has the same risk.

If you think a player is going to pop you're smarter to get him on a longer deal.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I would also gamble on Dube taking a bigger step than Yamamoto this year. I don't know if Yamamoto will get more points, as others have mentioned it largely depends on opportunity, but I expect Dube to be the better hockey player this season.

If Yamamoto gets more points it'll be a slam dunk he'll be the better player because Yamamoto's overall game is stronger.

Yamamoto is strong on the forecheck and a responsible player in all three zones. He's a tireless worker all over the ice. The Oilers started working him into the PK rotation last season as well.

Even if the offence doesn't come, Yamamoto could have a Paul Byron type of career.

It seems unlikely that Yamamoto will pop so much offensively this year that he will be priced off the team. The first unit gets all the PP time and he won't be part of that. Also, his first season scoring at a ppg pace was very unsustainable. In the range of 30-40 points seems like the reasonable max he will do.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

If Yamamoto gets more points it'll be a slam dunk he'll be the better player because Yamamoto's overall game is stronger.

Yamamoto is strong on the forecheck and a responsible player in all three zones. He's a tireless worker all over the ice. The Oilers started working him into the PK rotation last season as well.

Even if the offence doesn't come, Yamamoto could have a Paul Byron type of career.

It seems unlikely that Yamamoto will pop so much offensively this year that he will be priced off the team. The first unit gets all the PP time and he won't be part of that. Also, his first season scoring at a ppg pace was very unsustainable. In the range of 30-40 points seems like the reasonable max he will do.

You are talking about Kailer Yamamoto right? I wouldn’t call him a good all around player.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

You are talking about Kailer Yamamoto right? I wouldn’t call him a good all around player.

I don't have the JFRESH card on him but over the past 2 years in his 79 games he has a +26 the best on the Oilers over the last 2 years.

He has a xGF% 52.7 and GF% 61.8


Over the same 2 years he compares well as a player to Dube's -1 , xGF% of 48.3 and GF% of 51.5

If you put a Flaming C on his chest he just might be a pretty good all round player.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

If Yamamoto gets more points it'll be a slam dunk he'll be the better player because Yamamoto's overall game is stronger.

Yamamoto is strong on the forecheck and a responsible player in all three zones. He's a tireless worker all over the ice. The Oilers started working him into the PK rotation last season as well.

Even if the offence doesn't come, Yamamoto could have a Paul Byron type of career.

It seems unlikely that Yamamoto will pop so much offensively this year that he will be priced off the team. The first unit gets all the PP time and he won't be part of that. Also, his first season scoring at a ppg pace was very unsustainable. In the range of 30-40 points seems like the reasonable max he will do.

I wouldn't quite paint Yamamoto as a defensive specialist, but I agree that he looked better defensively than Dube in the last previous seasons. That said I expect Dube to take a step defensively under Sutter. I also don't value points on a shift with McDavid as much as I do with say Backlund. So while Yamamoto may put more points, a lot would depend on circumstances. Again, I'm not saying Yamamoto is a bad player, to date he has been a better player then Dube in my mind. I just expect Dube to take a bigger step forward this year.

[tkflames]

Pathetic that Kailer Yamamoto is still front page news on a flames forum...

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by tkflames

Pathetic that Kailer Yamamoto is still front page news on a flames forum...

Did you run out of things to complain about? You want to bring it down start an interesting discussion about the Flames. It would still turn into a trade everyone/fire everyone vs. why are you even a flames fan discussion.

[Phaneuf_Phan]

Very good deal for the Oil - damn it!