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Old 08-18-2021, 08:41 PM   #21
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(even Windows Defender is not that bad)
It is horrendous and probably worse than nothing since people assume it is protecting them.
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It is horrendous and probably worse than nothing since people assume it is protecting them.
Source? It appears to be in the same detection/protection range as most other big name paid AVs

https://www.av-test.org/en/antivirus/home-windows/

https://www.av-comparatives.org/test...st-march-2021/
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aside from the various AV choices listed here, most of which will do a good enough job (even Windows Defender is not that bad), make sure they're not logging in as an admin. create a non-admin user account for them and save the keys for elevated permissions for yourself. that should stop most bad executables from making system level changes or installations.
This!

Also just have them use the windows defender built-in, it's more than sufficient today.
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I'd suggest Pfizer or Moderna. Works on people of all ages who can't be trusted.
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I'd suggest Pfizer or Moderna. Works on people of all ages who can't be trusted.
Those come with Windows defender and 5G built in right?
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Give them an iPad.
Not as common as some of the traditional malware, but they can still get a an unwanted configuration profile if they click on something bad. Depending on the sophistication, the profile setting can be greyed out preventing the user from accessing or deleting it.

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Old 08-19-2021, 09:26 AM   #28
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The thing that saved my sanity is I set up my dad (88 years old) with a child account, and a strong antivirus, I think I used AVG.



But the child account gives him no writes to install anything or change any settings.
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Not as common as some of the traditional malware, but they can still get a an unwanted configuration profile if they click on something bad. Depending on the sophistication, the profile setting can be greyed out preventing the user from accessing or deleting it.
If somebody could please make something like AD for *nix, then literally everybody would move off of Windows in about 6 months.
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Source? It appears to be in the same detection/protection range as most other big name paid AVs

https://www.av-test.org/en/antivirus/home-windows/

https://www.av-comparatives.org/test...st-march-2021/
PC Security Channel on YT. Last test I saw it failed miserably, perhaps it has become drastically better.

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Maybe give this a try

https://www.crowdstrike.com/endpoint...rotection-pro/

has a monthly fee but real time protection and its what we use at an enterprise level (Not this version obviously). I have no personal experience with it but in looking this up I might give it a try and replace my weak AV software.
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+1 for CrowdStrike. I work in CyberSecurity and a lot of larger companies use them fairly exclusively.
Add another fan of Crowdstrike. It's an industry leader and a Gartner magic quadrant product, means cream of the crop. It is expensive, but you get what you pay for. My recommendation would be to go with something that Endpoint Detection and Response (EDR). EDR products will take actions to protect your system based on observable behaviors, while regular anti-virus usually relies on signatures for known threats. The EDR function can isolate things before they become problematic. Crowdstrike is the Rolls Royce of these products IMO and worth the investment.

If cost is an issue, Windows Defender EDR is a solid product. I would normally only implement behind another layer or two of defense, but it is a good relatively inexpensive solution. Same with ESET. The only other product that I like as much as Crowdstrike is Sophos Intercept X. Another great product that is reasonably priced for all that you get.

Remember that AV or EDR is only one layer of your security onion. Make sure you employ other protections. For seniors are technophobes, get them enrolled in a cloud backup solution like Code 42 Crash Plan or Carbonite. This will save their data, which is the most important thing. You can rebuild their machine, you can't recover those lost pictures or files.
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Wouldn't it be helpful to explain to an older person or new person to the internet about what's potentially harmful?
AVS would just make everything more confusing and harder to understand for someone that isn't familiar especially when it starts acting up.
I think Windows Defender is more than fine for a new user.
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PC Security Channel on YT. Last test I saw it failed miserably, perhaps it has become drastically better.

For the record, this is exactly the person I was referring to in my post. He tests the hell out of various AV and the vids are worth a watch.
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Yes - I second the Ipad or Chromebook idea. Ipads are good just because they are so simple to work. Install the apps they want/need, set-up shortcuts to their webpages.
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Wouldn't it be helpful to explain to an older person or new person to the internet about what's potentially harmful?
AVS would just make everything more confusing and harder to understand for someone that isn't familiar especially when it starts acting up.
I think Windows Defender is more than fine for a new user.
Its so advanced these days even experienced users can be fooled. exploits are so advanced they bypass AV long before its too late in many cases. The ways hackers are coding exploits these days are bypassing AV in really unique ways, the thing with Crowdstrike is it has machine learning and can stop some of these attacks based on algorithms and behaviors. Its all in the background and wouldn't be confusing at all after initial setup IMO.
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Honest question - why not stay with Norton? I don't use it (Kaspersky), but my step father does - basically he set it up (subscribed) and is off.

Should I get him off of it?
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I'd suggest Pfizer or Moderna. Works on people of all ages who can't be trusted.
If you don’t mind becoming sterile. 😉
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If you don’t mind becoming sterile. 😉
Mind? That's a feature!
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Chromebooks are pretty safe for this too if they don't want a tablet.
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Yes - I second the Ipad or Chromebook idea. Ipads are good just because they are so simple to work. Install the apps they want/need, set-up shortcuts to their webpages.
This is good stuff. I was looking to get my parents a new device (mom's iPad is old as heck and she doesn't like the Amazon one I got her last year) and I think I'll get them a Chromebook.
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Honest question - why not stay with Norton? I don't use it (Kaspersky), but my step father does - basically he set it up (subscribed) and is off.

Should I get him off of it?
Yes you should. It's not as good as the others, and it's a bloated piece of that will slow down the machine.
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