Calgarypuck Prospect Ranking 2021 - Round 3

[FanIn80]

Stromgren. This guy's gonna be good.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

This should be close to 100% Pelletier. I can't imagine a measure where any prospect compares? Draft pedigree? Performance after the fact? Performance on the big stage? But this is Bongoland, so anything is possible.

Wolf maybe. From a purely statistical Standpoint Wolf should be #2. But adding in the concerns about his size drops him. And the whole thing about Voodoo and goalies and yadda yadda.

Fact is despite his physical shortcomings (pun intended) he still topped out as the CHLs best goalie and it wasn't even close.

Wolf definitely wrongfully receives the Rodney Dangerfield treatment among the forum population. In my humble opinion.

/straightens necktie: "What's a guy gotta do to get a little respect around here!?"

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Wolf maybe. From a purely statistical Standpoint Wolf should be #2. But adding in the concerns about his size drops him. And the whole thing about Voodoo and goalies and yadda yadda.

Fact is despite his physical shortcomings (pun intended) he still topped out as the CHLs best goalie and it wasn't even close.

Wolf definitely wrongfully receives the Rodney Dangerfield treatment among the forum population. In my humble opinion.

/straightens necktie: "What's a guy gotta do to get a little respect around here!?"

He gets plenty of respect IMO - to the point that I think he is over-rated, not under.

Great stats and performance so far, but he is small for a goalie, and that is a big hurdle for the NHL. Not impossible for him, but it is a factor.

And then there is the fact that goalies are witches - no one can say, with any certainty, that he will make the NHL. Compare that to the 3 forwards at the top of the list - all 3 are very likely to have NHL careers. Even Vladar is far more likely to have an NHL career than Wolf, simply due to progression so far, and the fact that Vladar is ready to graduate.

[TheIronMaiden]

I will never vote for a goalie in the top ten. Not out of principle, but because of past evidence. Looking back at old polls Gillies and Parsons were consistently voted in the top 5 and nothing became of either of them.



I get that voting criteria is subjective, and my own bias is how high the floor is for a prospect. Without a doubt goalies always have the lowest floor.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

This should be close to 100% Pelletier. I can't imagine a measure where any prospect compares? Draft pedigree? Performance after the fact? Performance on the big stage? But this is Bongoland, so anything is possible.

That is because you lack imagination, and are myopically committed to your own subjective criteria for this exercise.


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[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I will never vote for a goalie in the top ten. Not out of principle, but because of past evidence. Looking back at old polls Gillies and Parsons were consistently voted in the top 5 and nothing became of either of them.



I get that voting criteria is subjective, and my own bias is how high the floor is for a prospect. Without a doubt goalies always have the lowest floor.

I get this, the Flames have had their hopes up far too many times.

Personally, I rank them by trade value, and I think Wolf probably has more trade value than most other prospects. Even with the Flames' development history on goaltenders.

But if he falters, then I'll subscribe to your logic until the pattern finally ends.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Pelletier and then Heineken at 4.

Heineken will never be more than a beer-leaguer.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Heineken will never be more than a beer-leaguer.

Lol. Post of the day!

[868904]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I get this, the Flames have had their hopes up far too many times.

Personally, I rank them by trade value, and I think Wolf probably has more trade value than most other prospects. Even with the Flames' development history on goaltenders.

But if he falters, then I'll subscribe to your logic until the pattern finally ends.

I don't think Wolf has much value until teams see how he performs in the pros and outside of the Everett Silvertips system.

He could be Leland Irving or Carter Hart until he gets a big enough sample size in the AHL. He could be our top prospect by the end of the next season if he adjusts well though.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by EastCoastFlamesFan

I was sort of cold on Pelletier but after seeing him at the WJC I did a complete 180 on him (as has been mentioned here a few times already). I don't know tho, I just find it really hard to gauge prospects from the Q. I'm still mad about Poirier--really thought we had something with him.

Pelletier looked much better than Zary at the WJC IMO

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Pelletier and then Heineken at 4.

What has Heineken done?

Other than brew beer?

[Moneyhands23]

If Heinemen is really a top 5 prospect that is exciting and something worth watching

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Pelletier looked much better than Zary at the WJC IMO

True, but Zary had a hell of an audition in the ahl

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Considered
Jakob Pelletier

On a ledge by himself sits Jakob Pelletier. To me, he doesn't have the eye-popping upside Zary and Coronato have, but is also in a league of his own relative to those coming after him on this list with respect to his downside.

Pelletier's season from a public perspective was interesting. On one hand, you have a 7-game sample size with the World watching where he was outstanding and really stood out all over the ice in the World Juniors...but on the other hand you have a 28-game sample size with markedly fewer people watching where he had what can only be classified as a disappointing season offensively: a 19-year-old first-round pick playing on the best team in the defence-optional QMJHL managing just 1.5 points-per-game is pedestrian. That said, as always points aren't everything and context cannot be ignored.

Moving from the Moncton Wildcats to the Daniel Renaud-coached Shawinigan Cataractes, Pelletier found himself thrust into a team that mandates a smothering forecheck coupled with acute attention to detail in the defensive zone - and what a perfect player for the role. According to the excellent site, Pick224, the Cataractes held a 79% even-strength goal share with Pelletier on the ice, 20% better than the 59% mark output by the rest of his dominant team, by way of outscoring opponents 37-10. 10 goals against in 28 games is remarkable. That said, good defence organically leads to offensively opportunity, especially at the major junior level, so his pedestrian offensive output cannot be ignored: long spells of possession against junior-aged defenders without finding a way through is reason for pause. For that reason, at the end of the season my outlook on Pelletier was reduced variance in terms of ceiling versus floor - his bust potential is low - but at the cost of pure offensive ceiling.

Jakob Pelletier
An absolutely relentless forechecker capable of filling in at all three positions (but best suited on the wing) and on all three units, Pelletier is player with no glaring weaknesses in his game. Undersized by tape measure but not by playing style, Pelletier's fearlessness and non-stop motor are reminiscent of fellow "undersized" wingers like Brad Marchand, Brendan Gallagher, and the Flames' own Andrew Mangiapane, as a few examples. I have been an ardent supporter of Pelletier's since the Flames drafted him, however I was left wanting more offensively even applying contextual considerations (great team; highly defensive structure). He could be a Brendan Gallagher-type player, but a player in the Mat Perrault mold is more likely. My hope is he is able to develop another level to his game offensively and I will be watching for that next season. If he does, the Flames have a player with tremendous upside on their hands. And even if he doesn't, the Flames are likely to have a penalty killing mainstay who can competently play all over the lineup for many seasons.

Ceiling: 2nd-line shutdown/possession-dominating winger
Probable: Middle rotation utility player (Style: Mathieu Perrault)
Floor: 4th-line grinder

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Here is how the two public models see the landslide winner. Please note that the criteria each model uses for star and NHLer is different! JFresh/TopDownHockey will almost always be lower than Bader's as their thresholds are a much higher standard so adjust accordingly.

Hockey Prospecting
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JFresh/TopDownHockey
JFresh and his partner TopDownHockey introduced their NHLe model this year. You will be familiar with the NHL player graphics they produce regularly. At $7/month the subscription is a no-brainer for any hockey fan. You can register here and support their work if you are interested: https://www.patreon.com/jfreshhockey

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