[Trade] Ryan Graves to NJ for Mikhail Maltsev + 2nd

[Macho0978]

Trades like this make me think Francis may be going over board with his demands.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

I think we are missing the fact that this makes the Keith trade even more hilarious.

I can’t tell if I’m too invested in their failure or if every announcement that has happened since truly has been a direct slap in the face of Edmonton.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Giordano > Graves, at least for next season - but more importantly, it’s just Colorado not willing to lose an asset for nothing - which stands in stark contrast to how we seem to do things here.

Just frustrating, that’s all.

What? The whole article and conversation today were about Treliving seeing if they can avoid losing an asset (Giordano) for nothing.

The fan base has completely lost it at this point.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

What? The whole article and conversation today were about Treliving seeing if they can avoid losing an asset (Giordano) for nothing.

The fan base has completely lost it at this point.

Brodie walked for nothing, Hamonic walked for nothing. Giordano looks poised to leave for nothing - and it's this history that I'm picking on.

This team should have been a lot more proactive, and "intellectually honest" with themselves about where the team is.

Just years of poor management are piling up.

I believe a trade freeze comes into play Saturday morning - so Tree has some time to pull something off, but losing Gio for nothing is just another example of a GM that isn't managing this team to a playoff team level.

[blender]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The Avs, a team much closer to contending than us, are out their being proactive and trading away a very good defenceman so as to not lose an asset for nothing…

…and us, a non-playoff team, are doing everything we can to persuade Seattle to not take our 38 year old (very good) defenceman or will just lose him for nothing.

Originally Posted by Bonded

Lol Ryan Graves is a younger Dman who is attractive to a lot more teams than Giordano. This would be more like trading Andersson or Tanev.

For all we know Treliving is going to trade Andersson, Hanifin or Tanev tomorrow.

Relax, guys. It is too early to judge anything.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

If the Flames could get an asset for Giordano they probably would. The problem is he has

a) trade protection
b) a pretty significant cap hit
c) the team that gives up assets for him will need to use an expansion protection slot on him over younger players

There is a possibility one of of 19 teams that Gio can. Be traded to could have a spot and may want him.

[blender]

[QUOTE=Enoch Root;7918008]What? The whole article and conversation today were about Treliving seeing if they can avoid losing an asset (Giordano) for nothing.

The fan base has completely lost it at this point.[/QUOTE]

CP isn't the fan base.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

There is a possibility one of of 19 teams that Gio can. Be traded to could have a spot and may want him.

If there is they probably already reached out to Treliving.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I’m having a hard time keeping up
So now we will also be mad if Gio IS exposed?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Brodie walked for nothing, Hamonic walked for nothing. Giordano looks poised to leave for nothing - and it's this history that I'm picking on.

If you want to cheer for a team that never lets UFAs walk, good luck finding one. And if you want to cheer for a team that never loses players in expansion drafts, I guess there's always Vegas… but they let UFAs walk for nothing, too. Oops. Guess you're SOL.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I’m having a hard time keeping up
So now we will also be mad if Gio IS exposed?

It may be confusing for you but two things can be true at the same time and actually do make logical sense

1) if the Flames are going to lose Giordano they should try to trade him and get assets for him and
2) the Flames as a lottery team with limited young assets should not give up said young assets to try to keep a 38 year old player.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

It may be confusing for you but two things can be true at the same time and actually do make logical sense

1) if the Flames are going to lose Giordano they should try to trade him and get assets for him and

Trade him to who?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

It may be confusing for you but two things can be true at the same time and actually do make logical sense

1) if the Flames are going to lose Giordano they should try to trade him and get assets for him and
2) the Flames as a lottery team with limited young assets should not give up said young assets to try to keep a 38 year old player.

It may be confusing for you, but two things can be true at the same time and actually do make logical sense.

1) The Flames can only protect three defencemen, and Giordano isn't a reasonable choice to be one of the three.
2) Every other team (except Vegas) can also only protect three defencemen, and if they trade for Giordano, they either have to lose him for nothing or expose one of their current top 3.

Tell us, who in their right mind is going to trade for Giordano's rights before the expansion draft?

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

It may be confusing for you, but two things can be true at the same time and actually do make logical sense.

1) The Flames can only protect three defencemen, and Giordano isn't a reasonable choice to be one of the three.
2) Every other team (except Vegas) can also only protect three defencemen, and if they trade for Giordano, they either have to lose him for nothing or expose one of their current top 3.

Tell us, who in their right mind is going to trade for Giordano's rights before the expansion draft?

For assets that don’t need protection, I would add.

[Reggie Dunlop]

What angers me is that other teams make trades.

[btimbit]

Sadly there is only one Ken Holland in the league. I'd love to flip Giordano for a 1st, same as anyone, but in a cap world a week before an expansion draft, yeah right.

[powderjunkie]

We're going to lose SOMETHING:

A. a 38 year old on the last year of his contract

B. Lucic (unlikely, but conceivable)

C. a pending UFA like Derek Ryan (unlikely)

D. an okay, but not great young player (Kylington or Phillips)


Any of A through D is fine. Spending an asset to guarantee D isn't.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

We're going to lose SOMETHING:

A. a 38 year old on the last year of his contract

B. Lucic (unlikely, but conceivable)

C. a pending UFA like Derek Ryan (unlikely)

D. an okay, but not great young player (Kylington or Phillips)


Any of A through D is fine. Spending an asset to guarantee D isn't.

Derek Ryan is a UFA and not signed. IMO the Flames are going to lose A and C. And I'm okily dokily with that.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

It may be confusing for you, but two things can be true at the same time and actually do make logical sense.

1) The Flames can only protect three defencemen, and Giordano isn't a reasonable choice to be one of the three.
2) Every other team (except Vegas) can also only protect three defencemen, and if they trade for Giordano, they either have to lose him for nothing or expose one of their current top 3.

Tell us, who in their right mind is going to trade for Giordano's rights before the expansion draft?

I never said that he could be traded. Merely said that wanting to try to trade Gio for assets and not wanting to burn assets to keep him are not mutually exclusive and in fact are complimentary.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Trades like this make me think Francis may be going over board with his demands.

Yeah I get the impression he’s being a bit greedy. Vegas played it right, collect a crazy amount of picks but they don’t have to all be home run deals, then circulate said picks back into better prospects or players if possible.

But Seattle has literally not done anything yet…

Then again on the other hand, maybe GM’s are a bit more weary this time around too.