Which is a far more likely answer than climate change.
While not saying climate change will never be an issue, I really think we need to stop the assumptions. Its something the media likes to panic us all with.
I read the engineering report and it outlines all kinds of deficiencies in the structure that likely caused the collapse. Because that area is susceptible to large storms those deficiencies would become worse more quickly than they would in a place like Calgary. Climate change may have played a small part if there were more, and larger, storms but the real issue is not taking care of those cracks and degraded waterproofing. That condo board is ####ed.
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Is this in a nicer area of town? Not that it really matters, but I'm wondering if they've had money to maintain this building over the years. It looks like it's right off the ocean, and there are a few hotels nearby...
Is this in a nicer area of town? Not that it really matters, but I'm wondering if they've had money to maintain this building over the years. It looks like it's right off the ocean, and there are a few hotels nearby...
I can't tell you how nice the area is, but it's right on the beach.
Which is a far more likely answer than climate change.
While not saying climate change will never be an issue, I really think we need to stop the assumptions. Its something the media likes to panic us all with.
Another thing is South Florida is famous for sudden giant sinkholes. I think that entire area is basically a marsh, though that may be folklore.
Wouldnt be surprised if way below the building something happened that triggered it as well.
Its pretty strange for a structure like that to just fall.
Another thing is South Florida is famous for sudden giant sinkholes. I think that entire area is basically a marsh, though that may be folklore.
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unfortunatly there wont be any, the rubble is also on fire which all but ensures no one that survived the collapse will survive
Everyone who was found alive at the WTC was found in the first 27 hours.
Expecting to find anyone at this point is wishful thinking.
The only way to possibly find people alive is to very carefully and slowly remove piece by piece. That takes way too long to get to anyone buried under any significant amount of debris.
If you try to remove things quickly, you shift the pile, or you accidentally crush any soft flesh in the pile, or you remove a piece that’s partially crushing someone, and removing it cause them to immediately bleed out.
She was speaking on the phone with her husband Michael Stratton.
"Suddenly she says, 'honey the pool is caving in, the pool is sinking to the ground'," Ashley recounts.
"He said 'what are you talking about?' And she says, 'the ground is shaking, everything's shaking' and then she screamed a blood curdling scream and the line went dead."
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A man whose grandparents are unaccounted for following the Florida building collapse says he has been getting bombarded with eerie and mysterious calls from the landline inside their sunken condo, according to a report.
Jake Samuelson told local outlet WBLG that he has received at least 16 calls from the number of his missing grandparents, Arnie and Myriam Notkin.
When he answered the phone, he heard nothing but static each time, the report said.
“We are trying to rationalize what is happening here, we are trying to get answers,” Samuelson told the TV station.
A man whose grandparents are unaccounted for following the Florida building collapse says he has been getting bombarded with eerie and mysterious calls from the landline inside their sunken condo, according to a report.
Jake Samuelson told local outlet WBLG that he has received at least 16 calls from the number of his missing grandparents, Arnie and Myriam Notkin.
When he answered the phone, he heard nothing but static each time, the report said.
This is not that uncommon of a phenomenon. It happens quite a bit, they just need to ask their local 911 operators about it. We do call them "ghost calls", though... The telecomms will tell you that they don't really know how it happens. Some numbers/lines are really bad for it.
I remember, for instance, when the Bow Tower was a hole in the ground, we used to get 1-4 calls from it a night. We get them from various construction/demolition sites pretty frequently. We even get them from residences where the people inside have no idea anyone called 911, as it'd turn out to be a residential land line number from a previous owner.
I can see it being pretty disconcerting for the fellow, though.
Which is a far more likely answer than climate change.
While not saying climate change will never be an issue, I really think we need to stop the assumptions. Its something the media likes to panic us all with.
I appreciate your point. My bet is we are going to see a lot more of this too. Climate change will be mixed up with and/or contribute to decaying infrastructure.
I am more on the alarmist side because for the past 40 or so years, we have been allowed to debate weather climate change exists and why it is too expensive to invest in upgrading infrastructure or enforcing regulations in development (not saying this is the case here).
I hope those who cannot not be found died a quick death.
I appreciate your point. My bet is we are going to see a lot more of this too. Climate change will be mixed up with and/or contribute to decaying infrastructure.
I am more on the alarmist side because for the past 40 or so years, we have been allowed to debate weather climate change exists and why it is too expensive to invest in upgrading infrastructure or enforcing regulations in development (not saying this is the case here).
I hope those who cannot not be found died a quick death.
I get your point but it doesn’t look like the cause here yet. Looks like the pool may have been leaking into the structure and rusted the supports.
That said if drainage caused issues and more storms played a role I will welcome that. Just knowing Miami quite well I lean more to incompetence and corruption as bigger danger than climate.
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I get your point but it doesn’t look like the cause here yet. Looks like the pool may have been leaking into the structure and rusted the supports.
That said if drainage caused issues and more storms played a role I will welcome that. Just knowing Miami quite well I lean more to incompetence and corruption as bigger danger than climate.
HA! Even if I agree with you, I don't know which scenario is more depressing.
its very sad...unfortunately, there's a number of people that dropped that ball here and that will have to play out as they do the building forensic (as tough as that looks to be considering the state of the structure).
What caught my attention was the tragic phone call, which the caller says "the pool is caving in"... in the images the structure of the pool is still intact (though empty)...seems like a structural column(s) in the parkade failed and that caused a cascade effect on the remaining structure.
that's not an easy fix, and like some condos with limited reserve funds, the board might have tried to put off the repairs or tried mitigation as opposed to doing the major repairs that would be required.
40 year major inspection is crazy to me...that's going to be changed for sure...25 years would be more reasonable imo.
I appreciate your point. My bet is we are going to see a lot more of this too. Climate change will be mixed up with and/or contribute to decaying infrastructure.
I am more on the alarmist side because for the past 40 or so years, we have been allowed to debate weather climate change exists and why it is too expensive to invest in upgrading infrastructure or enforcing regulations in development (not saying this is the case here).
I hope those who cannot not be found died a quick death.
I'd say this is more climate and natural conditions that climate change.
Building structures on sand, swamp, and apparently fill is not a good recipe. Throw in high amounts of rain and storms and you would think this would happen more often.
Yes climate change exacerbates the severity of the storms but I think this happens regardless of climate change.
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