Which player do you most want to see gone?

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Mikael Backlund

Mark Giordano is a close second.

The Flames haven't won anything since these two took over as leaders of this team.

Reasoning like this never makes sense to me.


Other than the Flames not having success, what in particular do you attribute to Giordano's and Backlund's leadership on the team as the reason for this team's inability to find success?


Was Gretzky a terrible leader since he never won another Stanley Cup? I bet you many people thought Lanny wasn't the right leader (with Pepper and Hunter) for the team until they finally won.


Do you know why I 100% completely disagree with this?


1) Neither one of them complain with their usage or line-mates. Take them off the PP - no complaint. Give them less than ideal partners? No complaint. They continue working hard, period.


2) They are both known as being the two hardest working members of the community as well on the team.



I hate seeing posts like this. There is probably jack #### that you know of them as leaders, but 'surely they must be the problem'.


Sorry, not to pick on you, but this is what I notice from many people. You hear Sutter praising both Giordano and Backlund for their leadership (as well as Tanev and Markstrom), but somehow they must suck as leaders.

[btimbit]

Honestly, there's nobody I want gone. Whatever makes the team better, whether that's a Gaudreau trade before his NTC kicks in, or a Tkachuk trade, or letting a guy like Nesterov walk to improve on the position elsewhere. That doesn't mean I wanna run any of them out of town, if they're all here next year and improvements were made via other means, I'm happy with that too.

[rooster]

Giordano, not the worst player by a mile(in fact one of the better) but this team needs a new identity and that will never happen as long as he is here.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Monahan

[CsInMyBlood]

Been saying it for years, Sean Monahan.

Should have been when his value was so much higher but you have to trade him this offseason before it plummets even further.

[Kovaz]

Count me in for Monahan. I don't think he's a bad player, but I think we have too many core players with serious limitations and it holds us back. It makes it really hard to develop a team identity when every line needs to play a different way to have success. Replacing Monahan with an equally valuable player but with a more rounded skillset would make our team much better IMO.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Low hanging fruit, but probably Derek Ryan. He does lots of little things well, but he struggles with the other team's size and doesn't add much energy as an "energy-line" guy.

He is also blocking the way of guys like Zary, Ruzicka, and Gawdin. I want to see the kids play and make some mistakes without fearing to lose their spot in the lineup.

[1qqaaz]

I think Markstrom's contract will be the most burdensome moving forward (I'm thinking years 4, 5, 6).
I'm not sure whether that means I want him gone.

Realistically, I would say Simon, Ritchie, Robinson, Nesterov, etc.
Leivo is fine. Maybe Nordstrom too.

In terms of bigger trades, I would say Tkachuk, mostly because he's the only one that can bring back someone interesting. It's a compliment to Tkachuk - he has the most value, and I want big changes. Otherwise, Monahan, Backlund and Gio.

So who do I want gone? Anyone who will likely be overpaid moving forward. Whether it's because of QO requrements, age, term, or pending UFA status.

[FlatLandFlamesFan]

Wow will the positivity never end , looks real good on us.

Guess it's time to be away for the summer .

[edn88]

I'd like to say good bye to the buyout and retained salary numbers ($2.5MM comes back to us next year).

[Iggy Snipe]

I would like to see GIO picked up by Seattle.

Gio is forever a flame. Although he brings lots of great leadership qualities, such as commitment, hard work, respect... his leadership has not achieved Calgary anything substantial in his tenure. One playoff round win, which he was not even in the line up for. (I am not counting the play in round last year, as that was a "play in" round.

The guy is a massive success story, and will go down as one of the best defensemen to suit up for Calgary ever. Norris winner, etc.

Calgary does need a new Captain, and new energy, with new leadership taking over. Calgary does need to face lift this franchise, and its time Gio either passed on the torch (assuming he plays out his contract with Calgary), OR Seattle picks him up, as i do believe there is zero chance Calgary protects him.

Gio has zero productive years left. He is a step behind, and his minutes were around 25 a game which is about 8 minutes too high. Him being on the ice that much does not help Calgary win hockey games anymore. Brodie not playing with Gio was immediately noticed this season.

Tanev/Hannifin were our best pairing by far.

Stone was a major plus on the back end. If he was playing since the start of the season, i think Calgary gets in. He was that much of difference in my opinion. I do not know why this guy isn't playing in every game in the 3rd pairing. He is SO steady and smart. Great guy to have playing with the young boys. I really hope we sign him again.

That being said, I Hope Mark Giordano is picked up by Seattle. I can't see Calgary winning with him in the line up anymore. This team 100 percent needs different leadership. It is time to turn the page on the GIO era.

If Calgary does protect Gio, i will be speechless.

[Finger Cookin]

I've thought on this topic this morning, and I can't really single out a single player that I feel has to move on above all others. I'm usually not one wanting to see change for change's sake, but I'm pretty open to just about any possible roster change happening this offseason. I think the most important changes are needed off the ice.

[Jore]

Aside from the obvious replacement level players, it's got to be Monahan. Been saying it for years. Completely one-dimensional and even his one dimension seems to be leaving him. Too bad the organization fails so completely at player evaluations and insisted on wasting his value. I don't think I can stomach another season with a Monahan-Gaudreau pairing

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Mikael Backlund

Mark Giordano is a close second.

The Flames haven't won anything since these two took over as leaders of this team.

Specious reasoning.

Mark Giordano is a fantastic captain. He does exactly what a captain should do, give it 100% every night and lead by example.

The 2 x Stanley Cup winning coach Darryl Sutter actually promoted Gio from the second pair up to the top pair and started playing him 26-27 minutes a game. That tells me a lot about what Gio still means to this team.

I believe that if Darryl could do it all over again, he probably would’ve made the move earlier. I think the whole “entitlement” term he used the other day was a direct shot at most of the young players on the team along with management for giving the kids the keys to the car too early.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Low hanging fruit, but probably Derek Ryan. He does lots of little things well, but he struggles with the other team's size and doesn't add much energy as an "energy-line" guy.

He is also blocking the way of guys like Zary, Ruzicka, and Gawdin. I want to see the kids play and make some mistakes without fearing to lose their spot in the lineup.

Well, as much as I like Ryan, I doubt he’s back. It would have to be at a significant discount and he probably can get more elsewhere, maybe even from Seattle.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Specious reasoning.

Mark Giordano is a fantastic captain. He does exactly what a captain should do, give it 100% every night and lead by example.

The 2 x Stanley Cup winning coach Darryl Sutter actually promoted Gio from the second pair up to the top pair and started playing him 26-27 minutes a game. That tells me a lot about what Gio still means to this team.

I believe that if Darryl could do it all over again, he probably would’ve made the move earlier. I think the whole “entitlement” term he used the other day was a direct shot at most of the young players on the team along with management for giving the kids the keys to the car too early.

Hasn’t Backlund only had a letter as of this year (not that letters are necessarily indicative of who the real leaders are).

Honestly, no one outside of the team really know what kind of leaders any particular players are. Was Lanny a great leader because they won in 89? Or was the real leader on that team someone like Gilmour or Macinnis?

[Reggie Dunlop]

Louis Domingue

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by SoulOfTheFlame

Simple: Regardless of the return, who is the one player from this team you least want to see back next year?

Assuming he's going to play center, Sean Monahan.

I think he's a useful player, but down the middle I'd rather see Lindholm, Backlund, and another player who plays center in that style (maybe we can swing a Kadri/Lucic swap if the Avs are unhappy with that situation, though I know a lot of people might be opposed to that).

Now if there's a way to shift Monahan over to wing and add a center (ideally, Eichel), that's preferable.

In terms of the asset I think we should be capitalizing on trading though, it's Noah Hanifin. If he can be the piece to push us over the edge and add Eichel, we gotta do it.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Hasn’t Backlund only had a letter as of this year (not that letters are necessarily indicative of who the real leaders are).

Honestly, no one outside of the team really know what kind of leaders any particular players are. Was Lanny a great leader because they won in 89? Or was the real leader on that team someone like Gilmour or Macinnis?

I don’t know. To be honest, I don’t care much for letters. I think people put too much stock into “leadership” from a single entity anyway.

I do agree with you that nobody really knows what kind of leaders anybody is, which is why I’ll never understand why leadership is questioned so much. Everyone on the ice has their own role and job to do, do that right and your team probably wins. Not sure why “leadership” always seems to fall on the captain’s shoulders.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Nesterov and Simon. Most easily replaceable.

I get why people are choosing Monahan, but I still think he is an important part of the team. As bad of a season that he had, he isn't easily replaced. I think if he bounces back, the Flames will be a much better team. If not, they will struggle and unfortunately I don't think the return for Monahan will help much. It would be selling at the low point.