LeBrun talks to Treliving ahead of trade deadline

[ComixZone]

This article paired with his interview with Steinberg...I don’t think I’m going to read/listen to interviews with Treliving anymore. Nothing of value is said, and he is becoming increasingly stand-off’ish. The biggest thing I take from his latest media availabilities? He’s at the end of his rope and has no real plan.

Spends big money in free agency, fails to improve the centre and right wing position, hires a new coach - and then fires that new coach and hires another new coach within the same season, and gets even worse results from that newest coach.

Holy hell, what a disaster of a season. I struggle to see a General Manager who has performed as poorly and panicky as he has in the 2020/2021 season.

[Super-Rye]

Tre is basically regurgitating the same stuff he always does.

When we get to the off-season he will talk about accountability and how "it starts with him." like he does every offseason/coaching hire.

I am less interested in hearing him talk and more interested in him actually doing something to help push this roster forward. Hopefully he sells a couple of our UFAs for some mid round lottery tickets in the next draft. That'd be a good start, even if just to make space for some of the AHL kids to give them some NHL minutes.

My gut says they won't do anything and we will hear about how "it's difficult to do anything during Covid." and how "the answers are in the room." Hopefully my gut is wrong.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by tkflames

What do you mean? We were a player rejection away from trading a top 2 defenseman for a top 2 center...

I understand that everyone is frustrated and I am not sure where I stand on Treliving myself....however, claiming that:
1. Treliving is blind to the situation
2. Treliving is too proud to address his mistakes
3. Treliving is trigger shy

It seems to me that these are just everyone's own projections based on frustration onto a person they have very little info on.

Here’s the issue. Targeting players with Calgary on their ntc. That’s not very smart. Likelihood of getting that player to waive - questionable at the very least as there is a reason why that player has Calgary on their list.

So that trade falls through. What’s your plan b? Plan c? Or is there only a plan a? Connor Brown moves in a separate deal to Ottawa for Ceci. Rw rh shot. Is he kadri level? No. Does he fill an organizational need? Yes. What do we have left to show for Brodie? Nothing.

Going back to his statement that he wants to make the team better and not worse. Of course. But what he’s been doing (or not doing) isn’t working. Proof is in the pudding.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by transplant99

He didn't say that.

He said you cant make off-season moves during the season.

I think its a very telling statement too.

It makes me believe he is pretty sure he has a deal cookin that simply cant be completed at this time because of cap restraints and/or the trading partner wants to hold onto their part of the deal through the playoffs.

Oh...and he has made 19 transactions during the season since becoming GM.

Yes, he supposedly always has a deal cooking. Too bad he can't close them.

[Burning Beard]

Honestly if it was that easy to move Leivo or Rittich before deadline I am sure they will do it, but people are treating this like a normal season when it is a oddball Covid season so I don't know if there would be any takers. It takes two to tango and not a lot of competitive teams have room to take scrubs off this team while giving up a pick.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Matty81

I dont really like the noise coming from the media and org around the flames deadline and not doing much. Even though they are not stars plenty of expiring deals he should be moving out. Although they won't get blue chip pieces back moving 4-6 players out as he should isn't being quiet.

This should be a textbook deadline... you missed the playoffs, its a simple trade any assets you are not moving forward with for picks mission to make the team stronger in future.

Ryan, Rittic, Leivo and some of the other expiring spare parts will bring back low end picks. Do your job and sell them off, don't let your pride about where you think the team should be blind you.

Hopefully it is all smoke the comments about them mostly sitting tight.

Again - I think people are over-rating those expiring contracts. You may be able to get something for Ryan and Rittich. But the rest? Why would other teams want our depth players who haven't been good enough to even be in the lineup every day? There's better choices out there even if you are only trading a late pick. Easy to say trade those expiring contracts. What if no one wants them?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Regardless, looking for insight from a GM’s public comments is futile.

This. So much this.

[Scroopy Noopers]

I would consider moving Rittich and Ryan to be a quiet trade deadline for the Flames. Based on what they need to do.

Moving Ryan and Rittich isn’t a quiet trade deadline to some of you?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

This article paired with his interview with Steinberg...I don’t think I’m going to read/listen to interviews with Treliving anymore. Nothing of value is said, and he is becoming increasingly stand-off’ish. The biggest thing I take from his latest media availabilities? He’s at the end of his rope and has no real plan.

Spends big money in free agency, fails to improve the centre and right wing position, hires a new coach - and then fires that new coach and hires another new coach within the same season, and gets even worse results from that newest coach.

Holy hell, what a disaster of a season. I struggle to see a General Manager who has performed as poorly and panicky as he has in the 2020/2021 season.

Panicky?
In what way?

Panicky for me is what we saw in the crazy days of Sutter when he traded Jokinen and Phaneuf in poor deals.

What panic things has BT done?

[Two Fivenagame]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Here’s the issue. Targeting players with Calgary on their ntc. That’s not very smart. Likelihood of getting that player to waive - questionable at the very least as there is a reason why that player has Calgary on their list.

So that trade falls through. What’s your plan b? Plan c? Or is there only a plan a? Connor Brown moves in a separate deal to Ottawa for Ceci. Rw rh shot. Is he kadri level? No. Does he fill an organizational need? Yes. What do we have left to show for Brodie? Nothing.

Going back to his statement that he wants to make the team better and not worse. Of course. But what he’s been doing (or not doing) isn’t working. Proof is in the pudding.

Agreed. Losing Brodie for nothing was a huge blow. I'm surprised BT hasn't been absolutely roasted by the media for that. You'd think Francis would be so over it.

This team could sure use Brodie right now....

"but at the end of the day, you have to evaluate the info and make those moves in the offseason" BT probably

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I would consider moving Rittich and Ryan to be a quiet trade deadline for the Flames. Based on what they need to do.

Moving Ryan and Rittich isn’t a quiet trade deadline to some of you?

In my eyes, anything short of moving at least one key piece should result in Treliving being fired.

Shanahan’s GMs got what was perceived as less than ideal value out of Kessel and Phaneuf when Toronto tore it down - and they were better in the long run for it. That’s where this team is with Monahan, Gaudreau, and Giordano. The assets have been devalued to the point where it’s just time to move on. These players aren’t going to magically be worth more in the off-season. Perhaps they’re impossible to move right now without taking back some bad money - well, take back the bad money then, and hopefully you can extract some additional value because of it.

Treliving should have to do his job at a better than bottom-5 level if he wants to keep his job.

[Two Fivenagame]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Panicky?
In what way?

Panicky for me is what we saw in the crazy days of Sutter when he traded Jokinen and Phaneuf in poor deals.

What panic things has BT done?

Hired a win now coach

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Regardless, looking for insight from a GM’s public comments is futile.

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

This. So much this.

Okay, so what is the point of the interview?

[Two Fivenagame]

Originally Posted by zamler

Okay, so what is the point of the interview?

Site visits. Ad revenue.

[Super-Rye]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I would consider moving Rittich and Ryan to be a quiet trade deadline for the Flames. Based on what they need to do.

Moving Ryan and Rittich isn’t a quiet trade deadline to some of you?

Realistically its all they can probably do, barring a Bennett trade. We probably shouldn't expect more. If more happens then great, but I don't think we should be expecting it.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Panicky?
In what way?

Panicky for me is what we saw in the crazy days of Sutter when he traded Jokinen and Phaneuf in poor deals.

What panic things has BT done?

He hired a head coach in September, and then fired him in March and hired another coach.

That is panicky. That is introducing instability. That is incompetent managing. He never should have hired Ward, his 3rd straight dud head coach.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by zamler

Okay, so what is the point of the interview?

Content.
The Athletic needs content.
Including to sustain their subscriber base.

It's the same reason we all consume useless interviews with players in between periods.

Just filling air.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

He hired a head coach in September, and then fired him in March and hired another coach.

That is panicky. That is introducing instability. That is incompetent managing. He never should have hired Ward, his 3rd straight dud head coach.

I don't know why he brought back Ward either. Seems weird.
But the decision to replace him seems rationale even though it didn't work.

I don't see panic behavior overall. It seems like the more common criticism is that he's too slow to react.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't know why he brought back Ward either. Seems weird.
But the decision to replace him seems rationale even though it didn't work.

I don't see panic behavior overall. It seems like the more common criticism is that he's too slow to react.

I suppose I should have said “lack of a plan” rather than panicky. I’m not sure he has a vision for what this team is supposed to be. I can’t commend Tree for hiring Sutter after he hired three dud head coaches back to back to back. He kept creating the same problem by making the same mistake. I’m not sure three mistakes in a row should be excused.

I feel like he’s bumping up against the very same failures that Sutter did. He can’t overcome the self-inflicted foundational problems with his roster.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

In my eyes, anything short of moving at least one key piece should result in Treliving being fired.

That just isn’t a fair bar to set during this point of this season. If he doesn’t during the offseason, I completely agree.

It has nothing to do with being “worth more” in the offseason.