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dino7c · 03-23-2021, 11:11 AM

I wouldn't do that deal

Psytic · 03-23-2021, 11:16 AM

Who else has a need for him and thinks they can re-sign him? This may even be the only logical trade partner if he doesn't want to stay with the Flames.

The Yen Man · 03-23-2021, 11:25 AM

I'd do the deal. I feel like something has to give with this group, and the core really needs a shake up.

Galakanokis · 03-23-2021, 11:26 AM

After Gaudreau's gutless attempt along the boards last night leading to the game winning goal I cannot see him long for a Sutter team. Butter soft forwards are never ones to build a playoff team around.

I see no way Gaudreau returns to Calgary so we had better get something for him rather than him walking for nothing regardless of playoff position. When things are going right Gaudreau is an amazing player but things rarely go right and he seems unable to right things himself. Konecy is a fine player and would fit in well.

Lanny_McDonald · 03-23-2021, 11:36 AM

I proposed a similar deal a few weeks back where the Flames would move Gaudreau ($6.75) for Konecny and Frost ($6.363M) and the balance would be a 1st and a 3rd. This was of course before it looked like the Flames would be a lottery team. I still would like to some how snag Frost, but we would likely have to do something with the 1st to make it happen. Swap of 1st picks to even out? I don't know. This draft is not great, so it might be wise to take that gamble.

ForeverFlameFan · 03-23-2021, 11:37 AM

I would push for the Flames to make it just a 1 for 1 swap, as both players have their flaws. Overall, i am fine with it.

powderjunkie · 03-23-2021, 11:42 AM

I'd do the deal. I'm pretty certain we've seen the best of Gaudreau. I'm not sure we've seen the best of TK...but even if we have, I'd rather have ~60 pt Konecny for that term than another year of Gaudreau + hopefully a rental trade return next year.

I'd hope for a 3rd vs. 5th swap, or something like CGY 2nd+5th for PHI 3rd+4th

FlamesAddiction · 03-23-2021, 11:52 AM

Start the car. I would do that deal in heartbeat.

Gaudreau is more expensive and is going to be a UFA soon. Gaudreau might have a history of putting up more points, but he seems to have taken a step back as he enters his prime. Konecny on the other hand, still has his best years ahead of him if you consider normal trajectory.

They are not that different of players really. Both are undersized skill players. Konecny is a little bit more of a north to south player and gets into the dirty areas a little more than Gaudreau, probably better suited to Sutter's style.

Although Huselius did pretty well under under Sutter, so maybe Gaudreau finds his game under Sutter too.

Displaced Flames fan · 03-23-2021, 11:54 AM

Farabee as a starting point

Vinny01 · 03-23-2021, 11:55 AM

Split it into 2 deals.

To Flames: Domi+2nd
To Jackets: Monahan+5th

To Flames: Konecny+5th
To Flyers: Gaudreau+2nd

Basically another deal in addition to the OP from the Athletic which basically makes it 2 1-for-1 deals as the picks wash.

Flames lineup

Tkachuk-Lindholm-Konecny
Domi-Backlund-Mangiapane
Lucic-Bennett-Dube
Ritchie-Ryan-Leivo

Gets a couple more Sutter type players on the team and reunites the bubble line. I really like that top line so I think that middle 6 would be the wildcard

Philly06Cup · 03-23-2021, 11:59 AM

Quick thoughts:

Philly's massive problem right now is goal-tending, defense, and team defense. I don't see a huge urge for Johnny at the moment. On top of quarantine, making an in-season trade seems very unlikely.

If you wait for the off-season, Philly can just wait another year for Gaudreau to be a UFA. If Gaudreau gets traded, most Flames fans here are going to be underwhelmed by the return.

Giroux has been moved back to Center recently, but they prefer him at LW. JVR is also at LW with a massive contract. That kind of log jam makes it tough for Philly to fit in Gaudreau, esp while moving out Konecny at RW.

People keep linking Gaudreau to Philly because of his roots, but it makes no sense for Philly. Doesn't address any of their defensive needs while loading them up at a position of strength (LW). I guess if Seattle takes JVR, then it could make some sense.

djsFlames · 03-23-2021, 12:09 PM

Just remember that Konecy will produce what Gaudreau would in a subpar season. Unless he has that much room to grow yet. Is there? I don't know.

Gaudreau will still flirt with a PPG no matter how underwhelming he appears to be out there.

The question i would be asking is how is Konecny's production/effectiveness at even strength compared to Gaudreau. That would be my decidng factor.

powderjunkie · 03-23-2021, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by New Era

I proposed a similar deal a few weeks back where the Flames would move Gaudreau ($6.75) for Konecny and Frost ($6.363M) and the balance would be a 1st and a 3rd. This was of course before it looked like the Flames would be a lottery team. I still would like to some how snag Frost, but we would likely have to do something with the 1st to make it happen. Swap of 1st picks to even out? I don't know. This draft is not great, so it might be wise to take that gamble.

The only thing with the money on that deal is that adding Frost doesn't really add AAV to their side of the deal since PHI still needs a replacement player.

I think they are also really hoping Frost delivers value next year on his ELC (ie. Robert Thomas for STL). I think they'd sooner move Patrick.

Next two off-seasons will be a bit crazy in PHI. Hart and Sanheim will get bumps this year...can they/do they keep Scott Laughton? Can't imagine Patrick gets much more than 1x1? Who does SEA take?

Then 2022 Farabee and Couturier are poised for big raises...Frost will take a bridge. What do they do with Giroux? Easier to keep him if Voracek/JVR get taken by SEA.

I think they'll want to take a run at Seth Jones/Pulock/Parayko more than Gaudreau.

djsFlames · 03-23-2021, 12:12 PM

Personally, I would be looking at trading Monahan or Tkachuk for faster skilled players.

Bonded · 03-23-2021, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

Personally, I would be looking at trading Monahan or Tkachuk for faster skilled players.

So just better players in general?

dino7c · 03-23-2021, 12:24 PM

Gaudreau plays with a guy who does one thing well (not this year) and a PTO player

Gaudreau will go somewhere else and be a top scorer again IMO.

Bourque's Twin · 03-23-2021, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

Personally, I would be looking at trading Monahan or Tkachuk for faster skilled players.

It’s tough having both in your top 6, especially when one is a centre. Keep Tkachuk as there are very few like him and he seems to care.

Vinny01 · 03-23-2021, 12:37 PM

In my opinion Monahan and Gaudreau need to be the guys traded and it should of happened in the offseason. I am guessing the offers were not great then but they are not improving now.

With Sutter signed for 2 more years and Markstrom for 5 I do think the plan is 100% to try and win right away over the next couple of years and build a team that best suits the style Sutter wants them to play.

We are in for a couple years of low scoring tight checking games

djsFlames · 03-23-2021, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonded

So just better players in general?

I would suspect that there are a lot of teams with skilled guys that would be salivating over the prospect of a pest like Tkachuk.

CSharp · 03-23-2021, 12:45 PM

I can see Gaudreau shining as a Flyer with Giroux more than what Konecny can offer for the Flames. If you're gonna make this kind of deal, why not offer up Dube + Bennett + 3rd round draft pick? The size factor isn't all that appealing when the Flames have a lot of undersized players in addition to guys who play undersized.