On the first comment, you can think whatever you like. Maybe save your rants about a coverup for the COVID thread? Not saying it's not valid, there's just a better place for it if that's the road you want to go down.
On the second, here's the quote:
"When I spoke to the investigators, they interviewed him this morning and they got that impression, that, yes, he understood the gravity of it. And he was pretty much fed up and kind of at the end of his rope. And yesterday was a really bad day for him and this is what he did."
The shooter never spoke to the sheriff. And at best, he's talking about the impression investigators got, not some summary of quotes. Maybe you should have actually watched the video of the press conference like your quoted tweet suggests since you clearly did not?
If we're going to criticize the media or others, it's important to get the facts right ourselves. "This was the sheriff's position" may not be accurate, but it's much closer than "the shooter spoke to the sheriff and this is what he said."
Based on your quote it does not appear to me that the Sheriff is saying he just had a bad day. Therefore the Twitter outrage over the statement out of context is unfounded.
He appears to be saying that the investigators summary to him was that the suspect implied he was just having a bad day rather than being insane at the time and not understanding what happened.
The key message out of those quotes appears to be that this wasn’t a person with an insanity defence coming up
Based on your quote it does not appear to me that the Sheriff is saying he just had a bad day. Therefore the Twitter outrage over the statement out of context is unfounded.
He appears to be saying that the investigators summary to him was that the suspect implied he was just having a bad day rather than being insane at the time and not understanding what happened.
The key message out of those quotes appears to be that this wasn’t a person with an insanity defence coming up
You're welcome to your interpretation, but there is nothing more to suggest that the suspect implied he "just had a bad day" than that being the narrative of the investigators or the sheriff. And there's certainly nothing to suggest this has anything to do with the possibility of an insanity defence, you could easily make the case that being "at the end of his rope" is leading directly to that. That'll be for further investigation and the lawyers to decide, and I'm quite sure the sheriff and investigators know that.
It's a bit silly to call one interpretation unfounded while offering up another interpretation that's just as much of a reach based on what little we know.
I don't really care to debate it further, though. It's a laughably stupid and insensitive comment regardless of who it originated with, and not one worth being shared. I don't think victims families really care to know how the killer's day was going.
But this is how it works. We humanize killers and villainize victims. The killer was a church-going young man who just had a bad day and understands what he did. Great.
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Since when do we take criminals at their word? He says it wasn't racially motivated and that's just the narrative? If he said he didn't do it, do the police just leave it at that as well? If a muslim man shot a bunch of people and said it wasn't terrorism, would he be given the same benefit of doubt?
I think the police response (and some public response) in denying that this is racially driven is just a way to avoid the inconvenient truth of what is happening. To admit that this was domestic terrorism coming from racially charged sentiments, would mean having to address more deep rooted issues.
Actions speak louder than words. I'm a little disappointed at seeing some of the comments in this thread. Just because there were 2 of the 8 people killed who were of non-Asian descent, doesn't mean it wasn't racially motivated. From what I understand, the white man killed was a client leaving the premises who got caught in it but this POS didn't go to those establishments to target him. He went there to rid himself of "temptation" - a dude who has an unhealthy sexual addiction driven by Asian women stereotypes fixes his problem by killing a specific demographic of people he didn't even know and that isn't racism?
I don't know a lot about Trevor Noah, but someone sent me this video he made and I couldn't agree more with his sentiments. I think this video may be helpful to a lot of people in this thread:
I very much agree that there is a lot of hopping on circumstances these days, for interest groups to use for their own agendas - but in this instance, I don't think it's helpful to deny an entire community's cry for help. Part of addressing issues in so much of what is wrong in our world today, is first acknowledging the problem and validating the victim's experience.
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As an Asian person, I'm happy to see the majority of posts in here being supportive and acknowledging the realities behind this incident. I, and many of my friends and family members have desperately asked our senior parents to literally change their daily routines out of fear that they might get attacked in the street for being Asian. This is the reality of their lives for over a year now and likely many more to come.
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So fellas... how do we produce better men? There is far too much of this garbage.
Sure, we can do self work and raise our own sons in ways that we think can make a difference, but how do we know we are doing it right, and can that extend to expanding levels - interpersonal, community and beyond?
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I wonder how many murderers who happen to be POC would be given the sympathetic "end of his rope, it was a bad day" defense.
At a minimum every killer gets the quote from the family or co-worker of “ He is such a good kid, there is no way he could do this”. Even Vincent Li has a quote like this from his boss in the article about his arraignment. Not sure that is quite equivalent to the Sherrif in this case.
I think Pepsifree’s comment that we defend perpetrators and villianize victims is fairly accurate. I think in general it’s a coping mechanism to make yourself feel safe as to why this couldn’t happen to you and to rationalize that people couldn’t be that horrible.
