This team needs a star centre and we have the pieces to get one.

[bubbsy]

I think it's oversimplifying it to state that we have the pieces to get it done.

In this day and age, filling that role comes from drafting. Seriously, how many teams in the league haven't drafted the guy playing their top line??

The flames went thru this past rebuild cycle and invested heavily with their draft capital on monahan and Bennett. It ultimately failed. The question is how much more does management continue to invest around this this team, without finding a top line C... After this season, assuming they get to the best case scenario for the roster (make the playoffs as a bottom/mid seed, and win a game or 2 in the playoffs) should we not do what's necessary to get that top line C... In my mind, that fundamentally means dome level of rebuild/retool.

[Manhattanboy]

Curious to know what COL was (realistically) asking Tre for PLD, if anything.

[Toonage]

Probably Tkachuk

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

yikes

At the rate he is trending he is going to be Daniel Tkachuk by the end of the season.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Curious to know what COL was (realistically) asking Tre for PLD, if anything.

look what they got for him...two very good players

[Macho0978]

Zibanejad is elite and clearly better than Monahan and Lindholm? Dubois could be better but elite and 100% better than what we got? One bad game and everyone goes crazy. These guys could be better but I doubt they are head over heels better or dramatically improve this team.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Zibanejad is elite and clearly better than Monahan and Lindholm? Dubois could be better but elite and 100% better than what we got? One bad game and everyone goes crazy. These guys could be better but I doubt they are head over heels better or dramatically improve this team.

Zibanejad was off the charts last season.

He was on pace for almost 60 goals (including a 5 goal game) and 100+ points before the season ended prematurely.

If that player emerged, then he would be head and shoulders above any of our current centers. He also has a bit of an edge to his game.

Given his start this season, it would be a bit of a risk, but I would not be against a lateral move at this point to shake things up. Plus, we seem to have had good luck with Swedes lately.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Curious to know what COL was (realistically) asking Tre for PLD, if anything.

PLD wasn’t on Colorado. Tre wouldn’t fall for that, and the league office wouldn’t allow that trade.

[ricosuave]

Any such beasts available this off season to offer sheet?

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

I think it's oversimplifying it to state that we have the pieces to get it done.

In this day and age, filling that role comes from drafting. Seriously, how many teams in the league haven't drafted the guy playing their top line??

The flames went thru this past rebuild cycle and invested heavily with their draft capital on monahan and Bennett. It ultimately failed. The question is how much more does management continue to invest around this this team, without finding a top line C... After this season, assuming they get to the best case scenario for the roster (make the playoffs as a bottom/mid seed, and win a game or 2 in the playoffs) should we not do what's necessary to get that top line C... In my mind, that fundamentally means dome level of rebuild/retool.

100% this. They are also nearly impossible draft outside the top 100 picks. 2014-2019 we didn't really draft a single C in 5 years, with Dubé the only theoretical.

[BagoPucks]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Name a current team that drafted and developed better talent while drafting outside the top 5 every year. It’s hard to do without that top 3 pick. Boston comes to mind, but they lucked out with Bergeron, Chara, Pasternak and Marchand, and of course, by getting Rask from Toronto.

Tampa comes to mind. I understand what you are saying. I just feel that development doesn't end because you made the NHL. I am yet to see a bunch of young flames take the next step at the NHL level after being drafted.

[zamler]

Johnny for Geno.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Zibanejad was off the charts last season.

He was on pace for almost 60 goals (including a 5 goal game) and 100+ points before the season ended prematurely.

If that player emerged, then he would be head and shoulders above any of our current centers. He also has a bit of an edge to his game.

Given his start this season, it would be a bit of a risk, but I would not be against a lateral move at this point to shake things up. Plus, we seem to have had good luck with Swedes lately.

The key is to find the next Zibanajed.
When he was acquired by the Rangers he was a 20 goal 50 point centre, but a good two-way one.
So the cost was reasonable (Zib + 2nd round pick for Braassard and 7th round pick).

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Zibanejad was off the charts last season.

He was on pace for almost 60 goals (including a 5 goal game) and 100+ points before the season ended prematurely.

If that player emerged, then he would be head and shoulders above any of our current centers. He also has a bit of an edge to his game.

Given his start this season, it would be a bit of a risk, but I would not be against a lateral move at this point to shake things up. Plus, we seem to have had good luck with Swedes lately.

I'm not against trading for him or Dubois. I was ok with moving Monahan and a lottery protected first for Dubois. But its still risky. You make the deal and zibinejad comes in a doesn't move the needle now you're down a first and not a lock to resign zibinejad when his contract is up.

Monahan is more likely to resign and more likely to resign for less money out of the 2

If the Flames wanna shake things up I'd love to see at the deadline backlund and gio to move on. Add some picks and see how we do in the next draft. Free up cap space too

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

It's more than apparent this team needs a dominating center or this team will forever be just a mediocre team

Monahan is a good player but he has one gear and that gear is ineffective when the tempo rises, Lindholm is looking good but is probably suited more as a 1b or a 2 center.

Treliving needs to grow a pair and target what he feels is a true #1 center even if he has to "overpay" for one, I think he's much like his father where he needs to steal every deal, good GM's take chances and if their team needs a piece they have the mind sense that's there's no such thing as an overpay.

He needs to target teams in cap jail or teams in need of a rebuild.

Point, Zibanejad, Eichel or even Kopitar come to mind but I'm sure there's more that could be had for an "overpay"

Not a very good take.

Treliving needs to steal every deal? Hamilton? Hamonic? Lindholm/Hanifin? Treliving has taken plenty of risk and been on both sides of it.

Whatever fantasy you’re dreaming doesn’t exist, I bet.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The key is to find the next Zibanajed.
When he was acquired by the Rangers he was a 20 goal 50 point centre, but a good two-way one.
So the cost was reasonable (Zib + 2nd round pick for Braassard and 7th round pick).

I agree with this. At the time Brassard was considered the better player but zibinejad was you but maybe 2nd line potential. Worked out great for the rags

Backlund is a brassard type and a great team would consider him in a deal. Flames get a 3rd or 2nd line young player with potential and a pick it could workout. Plus they have Bennett that could take backlund role. But might be too late now as Bennett probably doesn't resign long term

There are so many quality young players buried on good teams. Vegas made a living on this in expansion draft

Flames want to move the needle they might have to make a move that appears to be a retool type move and if it works out and you draft well this team isn't far off

Gio or backlund are those guys that need to go. Tanev in I feel comfortable losing gio. Backlund maybe goes after gio but it all depends on who brings more or draws the most interest. Valimaki Hanifin step up you may not miss gio that much. If not we are getting a good draft pick this year

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Backlund is a brassard type and a great team would consider him in a deal. Flames get a 3rd or 2nd line young player with potential and a pick it could workout. Plus they have Bennett that could take backlund role. But might be too late now as Bennett probably doesn't resign long term

Backlund is more important to this team than Monahan and has been the better player of the 2 since mid last season.
With Lindholm becoming a solid centre, Monahan is the obvious man out of the 3.

In an ideal world we trade Monahan + something to get a real #1 centre and keep Lindholm on the 2nd line, Backlund on 3rd.

Short of that being possible, I'd make Lindholm our #1, Backlund #2 and trade Monahan for a first line RW.

Either of those moves improve the team from right now.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Backlund is more important to this team than Monahan and has been the better player of the 2 since mid last season.
With Lindholm becoming a solid centre, Monahan is the obvious man out of the 3.

In an ideal world we trade Monahan + something to get a real #1 centre and keep Lindholm on the 2nd line, Backlund on 3rd.

Short of that being possible, I'd make Lindholm our #1, Backlund #2 and trade Monahan for a first line RW.

Either of those moves improve the team from right now.

Which team is trading a ‘real 1C’ for Monahan plus ‘something’?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by BagoPucks

Tampa comes to mind. I understand what you are saying. I just feel that development doesn't end because you made the NHL. I am yet to see a bunch of young flames take the next step at the NHL level after being drafted.

Tampa has had Stamkos (10A) and Hedman (2OA), who is as valuable as an elite C. And they would have had Tavares if they missed on Hedman. They also got supremely lucky with Point and had a first round goalie pick pan out.

[Red]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Which team is trading a ‘real 1C’ for Monahan plus ‘something’?

+ Bennett.