[Trade] Sens acquire Derek Stepan from Arizona for a 2021 2nd

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Galchenyuk is a non factor and living off his draft position. He is entering Lazar territory. I do agree Dadonov was a good pick and Stephan was a good add. I do think Ottawa will surprise some teams.

They have incoming rookies nobody seems to pay attention to who are really good too but okay.

Despite Canada’s thumping- Stutzle is amazing.

[ComixZone]

Rebuilding is a tricky beast - you have to give your kids a shot at battling all season long and not allow them to fall into a habit of playing meaningless hockey. Once they get used to playing meaningless hockey, all hope is lost. They have already exposed Brady Tkachuk to two years of that, and Thomas Chabot has endured 3 years of it. You can't keep that going - which is why I think they've had a quite strong off-season.

Stepan for a 2nd isn't a steep price, and if they fall out of the playoff race they'll likely be able to recoup that pick at the deadline. As far as patch-work goes, it's a decent trade. The Sens are complete trash at the centre ice position so Stepan will come in and likely be the #1 centre - another good way to maintain/improve trade value.

I don't think Stuetzle or Sanderson are locks for the NHL this year.

[TheScorpion]

Hmm, Galchenyuk has been a lot better in his career than Lazar ever was. He had a bad year in 2019-20 but here's a look at his goal totals in every season of his career (most recent listed first):

8
19
19
17
30
20
13
9

For reference, Lazar has scored 20 goals... in his career.

Ottawa is probably looking at this as its lineup next year:

Tkachuk - Stepan - Dadonov
Stuetzle - Tierney - C. Brown
Galchenyuk - White - Batherson
Paul - Norris - Watson
Anisimov/L. Brown

Chabot - Gudbranson
Reilly - Zaitsev
J. Brown - Brannstrom
Zub

Murray
Hogberg

Will they make the playoffs? Nah. But they'll be interesting.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Rebuilding is a tricky beast - you have to give your kids a shot at battling all season long and not allow them to fall into a habit of playing meaningless hockey. Once they get used to playing meaningless hockey, all hope is lost. They have already exposed Brady Tkachuk to two years of that, and Thomas Chabot has endured 3 years of it. You can't keep that going - which is why I think they've had a quite strong off-season.

Stepan for a 2nd isn't a steep price, and if they fall out of the playoff race they'll likely be able to recoup that pick at the deadline. As far as patch-work goes, it's a decent trade. The Sens are complete trash at the centre ice position so Stepan will come in and likely be the #1 centre - another good way to maintain/improve trade value.

I don't think Stuetzle or Sanderson are locks for the NHL this year.

Sanderson no but Stuetzle will make it and be average at best. He will be okay.

Then again a lot of Calgary’s players will be average at best too. So there you go.

[TheScorpion]

Sanderson definitely won't be a Senator this year and probably not next year either — he just started at UND.

I can't believe the Sens willingly traded for that Zaitsev contract — four more years at $4.5 million per for a guy who honestly shouldn't be in the lineup most nights. Gudbranson is probably better, honestly, and he's not good either. I know DJ Smith plans on starting Chabot with Guddy to start the year.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Hmm, Galchenyuk has been a lot better in his career than Lazar ever was. He had a bad year in 2019-20 but here's a look at his goal totals in every season of his career (most recent listed first):

8
19
19
17
30
20
13
9

For reference, Lazar has scored 20 goals... in his career.

Galchenyuk was productive early no doubt, when I mean Lazar territory I am talking about needing the right situation to be an nhler. Which also means he probably won't get that many more chances.

26 and on his 5th team.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Galchenyuk is a non factor and living off his draft position. He is entering Lazar territory. I do agree Dadonov was a good pick and Stephan was a good add. I do think Ottawa will surprise some teams.

Galchenyuk has 320 points in 549 NHL games. He had a 30 goal season, a 20 goal season, and three other seasons where he flirted with 20 goals (two 19 goal seasons and a 17 goal season). Plus another season where he was on pace for 20 goals before being injured.

Really, last season was his only real bad season when it comes to production. He has played more NHL games and has the 2nd most points out of any player drafted in 2012 (only Forsberg has more).

Definitely not Lazar territory.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Galchenyuk was productive early no doubt, when I mean Lazar territory I am talking about needing the right situation to be an nhler. Which also means he probably won't get that many more chances.

26 and on his 5th team.

Yeah I suppose. I was surprised that Arizona moved on from him so quickly, I thought he was a good fit there. That Kessel trade really didn't work for anyone.

[Mr.Coffee]

I think it’s going to go something like this:

Toronto
Calgary/Montreal
Montreal/Calgary
Ottawa
Edmonton
Winnipeg
Vancouver

[Robbob]

Arizona moved on quickly and so did Minnesota. There seems to be something teams don't like about him.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I think it’s going to go something like this:

Toronto
Calgary/Montreal
Montreal/Calgary
Ottawa
Edmonton
Winnipeg
Vancouver

At least Vancouver has some semblance of a defense with Hughes, Edler, Schmidt, and Myers. I say they're better than Edmonton and Winnipeg.

And yeah, Sens in last, but not for a lack of trying.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Arizona moved on quickly and so did Minnesota. There seems to be something teams don't like about him.

Just to reiterate for the 4th time I’m not really pinning my prediction for Ottawa’s outperform on Galchenyuk. He’s a nothingburger and honestly I kind of agree. Stepan is a quality add though. Especially for a 2nd everyone always massively overrated draft picks on this site amd I assume it’s because Calgary always trades theirs away all Willy nilly.

Ottawa has a lot of good young pieces, picked up a goalie. Dadonov is a stud, and Stepan is good. They’re going to have the best rookie dman in the game. They have a couple other quality players, and I predict they outwork their opponents as opposed to a team like........... oh I dunno.... Calgary. Call me crazy. Multiple years of $6MM pay days for the best players? Yeah. Call me Nostradamus but I suspect the effort level drops. A lot. This will result in below average performance for an above average group, who are not as good as they think they are.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

At least Vancouver has some semblance of a defense with Hughes, Edler, Schmidt, and Myers. I say they're better than Edmonton and Winnipeg.

And yeah, Sens in last, but not for a lack of trying.

Good point. Maybe Winnipeg ends in last. I have Calgary ranked too high but I didn’t want the pitchforks and anger coming out.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Galchenyuk has 320 points in 549 NHL games. He had a 30 goal season, a 20 goal season, and three other seasons where he flirted with 20 goals (two 19 goal seasons and a 17 goal season). Plus another season where he was on pace for 20 goals before being injured.

Really, last season was his only real bad season when it comes to production. He has played more NHL games and has the 2nd most points out of any player drafted in 2012 (only Forsberg has more).

Definitely not Lazar territory.

If he was all that he would be getting better offers than 1 year 1M. Lazar got 2 years 800k. Bottom line Galchenyuk is being given a chance by a fifth team because what he did early in his career. It is a prove it contract, if he doesn't, he will be lucky to get another contract.

[Mr.Coffee]

Anyway bottom line is Ottawa will be middle of the pack. Bodog’S Prediction of them 2nd last is.....hilarious. Off top of my head I can think of a few teams they’re better than.

One team that is going to get a lot worse, sadly, is Boston. And that hurts to say as a Bruins fan.

I think Bodog has Colorado correct though. They probably are the best team.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

And Brannstrom, who may very well win the Calder...

People underrate bad teams because they view the prism of next year based on last year- which is the wrong prism. Like Dino, who was one of those guys laughing at me last year right before the season started and then I was right. He won’t admit it though. It might all well come down to Matt Murray who’s lost a bit of a step though.

Right about what?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

What kind of odds would you give me

why do you need odds? you have spent they last 20 posts pumping their tires...unless oh I don't know you are just trying to be contrarian and doing a bit of off season fishing.

$100 says Flames finish ahead of the Sens and the Sens miss the playoffs (I need both to win)

lets go, with have a whole board of witnesses. Unless you don't actually believe what you are saying

[dammage79]

Stepan is going to bring some leadership. Thats a good thing for the plucky group of kids and retreads.

I like teams like Ottawa. A bunch of reclamation projects mixed with some dynamic talent. From Murray, Galchenyuk and Stepan to Chabot, Brannstrom, Tkachuk and Stuetzle, theyll be fun AF to watch. And with those sweet sweet jerseys too.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Stepan is going to bring some leadership. Thats a good thing for the plucky group of kids and retreads.

I like teams like Ottawa. A bunch of reclamation projects mixed with some dynamic talent. From Murray, Galchenyuk and Stepan to Chabot, Brannstrom, Tkachuk and Stuetzle, theyll be fun AF to watch. And with those sweet sweet jerseys too.

Ottawa seems to have given themselves some flexibility where if everything comes together, they might surprise and be competitive, but if the stars don't align, they have a lot of pieces they can sell pretty easily to accelerate their rebuild.

It will probably be the latter, but it will be interesting to see.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

This doesn’t make any sense for the sens.

Why? Stepan is one season removed from being a 15 goal scorer and two from being a consistent 50 point scorer.

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Arizona desperate to dump money. Ottawa pays a premium asset for a declining player instead of taking them to the woodshed.

What makes them that desperate? In terms of actual cash they are one of the lowest in the league with around 60M in spending on their players while other teams will be spending 80M+ on their team. Or in the case of Toronto, 90M+.

Don't get confused with the 200k the Coyotes are actually paying Hossa with his 5M+ cap hit (that will go on the LTIR). While obviously more cap is better, getting below it gives you flexibility, it's not like the Coyotes needed to move Stepan to ice a team, they could go out today and sign an 8M player and be cap compliant and still spending far less than the Flames.

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

They want cap, they could have got loui Erikkson for free, if not get an asset for taking him on. 2 years, but $5m real cash and they keep a second rounder.

There's three likelihoods; the Sens perform well and then they are happy bolstering their team with depth players like Stepan; the team still falters but Stepan does alright and they are able to recoup that 2nd rounder or close to it at the deadline; or it's a complete bust and they are out 2M and a 2nd round pick. Still better than being anchored with Eriksson for another year.

We've also seen what rebuilding teams who jettison anyone remotely of NHL quality gets you through the Oilers. Having some veteran leadership, some players who know what it feels like to win in the NHL and want to do it again, could be worth their weight in gold for a young rebuilding team like the Senators.