[Signing] Tampa extends Cirelli (3 years, $4.8 million AAV)

[Scroopy Noopers]

I can’t believe the Flames didn’t play Valimaki in the playoffs and somehow got away with not having to protect a guy who’s over seas crushing a pro league. Pretty convenient.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

This is pure jealousy.

Is anyone here going to tell me with a straight face that if Lucic suddenly came down with a rash that allowed him to go on LTIR and for us to get a true offensive center/winger to supplement our team with that cap space, that anyone here would be upset about it. Does anyone think we would be focused on doing the honorable thing and honoring Lucic's contract without taking the LTIR relief?

Kucherov isn't playing for the full season. He may not be in adequate game shape by the time the playoffs roll around, so essentially you may be losing your top offensive forward for the year to a hip injury that requires surgery.

Okay, so you take lemons and you make lemonade. Sign the rest of the roster that you wouldn't be able to. People can bitch about the timing, but it's a business decision based on a health situation. If Kucherov could play at 100% and the injury would resolve itself with treatment, I can guarantee that he would be playing and that they would have to move some salary to sign some guys. They're just making the most out of the situation, and who can blame them? I wish all GMs for teams I cheered for were this shrewd. Everyone can do what they're doing. There's nothing in the CBA saying they can't. If it becomes that big of a problem, then amend the CBA next time around.

There is a huge amount of that make no mistake. The owner of the Lightning is going to pay a huge amount of money to Kucherov not to play for him this year. If they had not just won a Stanley Cup is the owner willing to spend that kind of money for his best player not to play for the team? Would he be willing to let his GM pay Cernak and Cirelli on top of what he's paying Kucherov and allow him more time to find a move that doesn't completely screw the team going forward? I am pretty petty myself, and I hope the owner takes a pretty harsh loss and goes into desparation mode in a year or two ordering a fire sale to his GM.

As much as players want to play, I have to think owners and management expect and want productive players making 9.5 million a year to still play if possible. But after winning it likely allows the team to realize that you have 66.5 million committed to this guy over the next 7 years, and getting him fixed now likely helps you maximize that investment vs trying to force him to play now, and cumulatively build up more and more injuries to the point where the last 4 years become sunk cost and the production in the 3 leading up to that also lacked.

So they are going to play without their best player for now, and Brisebois now has a bit more time to try and wiggle out of this or order a Thug to club McDonaugh and Tyler Johnson on the knee next off season to IR them...still that puts the owner in a position where he's still spending 90+ million on the team, and he may not be so foregiving if it's a team that doesn't win the Cup again.

[Scooter]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I can absolutely guarantee that if the Flames were a perennial cup favorite, and they were coming off a championship season, and they were dealing with a cap crunch that would force them to get rid of key young talent, AND they found a way to maintain the team under the cap without getting rid of any key talent, everyone on CP would be happy that they were able to do so.

This is pure jealousy.

Is anyone here going to tell me with a straight face that if Lucic suddenly came down with a rash that allowed him to go on LTIR and for us to get a true offensive center/winger to supplement our team with that cap space, that anyone here would be upset about it. Does anyone think we would be focused on doing the honorable thing and honoring Lucic's contract without taking the LTIR relief?

Kucherov isn't playing for the full season. He may not be in adequate game shape by the time the playoffs roll around, so essentially you may be losing your top offensive forward for the year to a hip injury that requires surgery.

Okay, so you take lemons and you make lemonade. Sign the rest of the roster that you wouldn't be able to. People can bitch about the timing, but it's a business decision based on a health situation. If Kucherov could play at 100% and the injury would resolve itself with treatment, I can guarantee that he would be playing and that they would have to move some salary to sign some guys. They're just making the most out of the situation, and who can blame them? I wish all GMs for teams I cheered for were this shrewd. Everyone can do what they're doing. There's nothing in the CBA saying they can't. If it becomes that big of a problem, then amend the CBA next time around.

Jesus...the whining around here sometimes is unbearable.

All the whining here makes me think there's a lot of Trump supporters on this board!

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I can absolutely guarantee that if the Flames were a perennial cup favorite, and they were coming off a championship season, and they were dealing with a cap crunch that would force them to get rid of key young talent, AND they found a way to maintain the team under the cap without getting rid of any key talent, everyone on CP would be happy that they were able to do so.

This is pure jealousy.

Is anyone here going to tell me with a straight face that if Lucic suddenly came down with a rash that allowed him to go on LTIR and for us to get a true offensive center/winger to supplement our team with that cap space, that anyone here would be upset about it. Does anyone think we would be focused on doing the honorable thing and honoring Lucic's contract without taking the LTIR relief?

Kucherov isn't playing for the full season. He may not be in adequate game shape by the time the playoffs roll around, so essentially you may be losing your top offensive forward for the year to a hip injury that requires surgery.

Okay, so you take lemons and you make lemonade. Sign the rest of the roster that you wouldn't be able to. People can bitch about the timing, but it's a business decision based on a health situation. If Kucherov could play at 100% and the injury would resolve itself with treatment, I can guarantee that he would be playing and that they would have to move some salary to sign some guys. They're just making the most out of the situation, and who can blame them? I wish all GMs for teams I cheered for were this shrewd. Everyone can do what they're doing. There's nothing in the CBA saying they can't. If it becomes that big of a problem, then amend the CBA next time around.

Jesus...the whining around here sometimes is unbearable.

<slow clap>

[browntrout]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I can absolutely guarantee that if the Flames were a perennial cup favorite, and they were coming off a championship season, and they were dealing with a cap crunch that would force them to get rid of key young talent, AND they found a way to maintain the team under the cap without getting rid of any key talent, everyone on CP would be happy that they were able to do so.

This is pure jealousy.

Is anyone here going to tell me with a straight face that if Lucic suddenly came down with a rash that allowed him to go on LTIR and for us to get a true offensive center/winger to supplement our team with that cap space, that anyone here would be upset about it. Does anyone think we would be focused on doing the honorable thing and honoring Lucic's contract without taking the LTIR relief?

Kucherov isn't playing for the full season. He may not be in adequate game shape by the time the playoffs roll around, so essentially you may be losing your top offensive forward for the year to a hip injury that requires surgery.

Okay, so you take lemons and you make lemonade. Sign the rest of the roster that you wouldn't be able to. People can bitch about the timing, but it's a business decision based on a health situation. If Kucherov could play at 100% and the injury would resolve itself with treatment, I can guarantee that he would be playing and that they would have to move some salary to sign some guys. They're just making the most out of the situation, and who can blame them? I wish all GMs for teams I cheered for were this shrewd. Everyone can do what they're doing. There's nothing in the CBA saying they can't. If it becomes that big of a problem, then amend the CBA next time around.

Jesus...the whining around here sometimes is unbearable.

Honestly give me a break... A spade is a spade the lighting are circumventing the cap...you can make all the arguments that if calgary made moves we would be all forgiving...but the reality is Calgary is not Shaddy...the play by the rules

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by browntrout

Honestly give me a break... A spade is a spade the lighting are circumventing the cap...you can make all the arguments that if calgary made moves we would be all forgiving...but the reality is Calgary is not Shaddy...the play by the rules

Tampa is playing by the rules too, otherwise the league would simply stop what they were doing. The Flames haven't been given the opportunity to do this, that's the only thing that's preventing it. Don't kid yourself.

The question really is, do these rules need changing? Perhaps. But until they do, everything they're doing is 100% within bounds.

[Stud_McCool]

It's hard to fathom a team would put, arguably a top 5 forward in the league on LTIR to "circumvent the cap".

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Scooter

All the whining here makes me think there's a lot of Trump supporters on this board!

I mean there's at least one poster on this board who owes much of his professional success to who one of his parents are, so I definitely see where you're coming from.

[FlamesAddiction]

Good deal if he keeps improving or can at least replicate last season.

Three years is fairly low risk these days too, so even if he doesn't progress, it's not like they are locked in forever. Being only 23, it's a good gamble that he still has some growth in his production.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by browntrout

Honestly give me a break... A spade is a spade the lighting are circumventing the cap...you can make all the arguments that if calgary made moves we would be all forgiving...but the reality is Calgary is not Shaddy...the play by the rules

This makes no sense, though. Like at all. A team putting a crappy/boat anchor contract on LTIR to fit better players under the cap? Sure. But why in the hell would a team force/convince their best player to not play to circumvent. It makes literally no sense.

If he could play they would be better off with him playing in any scenario. Even if they had to trade another good player up for contract for multiple firsts or whatever.

[Owen15]

Originally Posted by jayswin

This makes no sense, though. Like at all. A team putting a crappy/boat anchor contract on LTIR to fit better players under the cap? Sure. But why in the hell would a team force/convince their best player to not play to circumvent. It makes literally no sense.

If he could play they would be better off with him playing in any scenario. Even if they had to trade another good player up for contract for multiple firsts or whatever.

This is what I was thinking. In a weird year like this I would want the full strength of my line up playing from day 1 to 56. Who knows what happens?

If you believed some posters TB would be better off if Kucherov never played again and TB would be better for it.

Maybe we could trade Bennett for Kutcherov?

[Nelson]

I predict Tampa Bay will easily make the playoffs in the new Central division. And then they’ll bring back a rested, rehabbed Kucherov for the playoffs like the Hawks with Kane in 2010.

In the mean time, they used the cap space to sign Cirelli to a great little contract.

Amazing!

[browntrout]

Originally Posted by jayswin

This makes no sense, though. Like at all. A team putting a crappy/boat anchor contract on LTIR to fit better players under the cap? Sure. But why in the hell would a team force/convince their best player to not play to circumvent. It makes literally no sense.

If he could play they would be better off with him playing in any scenario. Even if they had to trade another good player up for contract for multiple firsts or whatever.

Honestly I am not buying it. Why would he not have surgery right after the playoffs, why wait till the last second to announce this, seems fishy. It could be hip surgery for something minor, or maybe he elected this as opposed to rehab once the team had cap problems....surgery 6 months out....rehab maybe only 2-3 months out.

[browntrout]

Moving forward, I wish the league would extend the cap compliance to the playoffs.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by browntrout

Honestly I am not buying it. Why would he not have surgery right after the playoffs, why wait till the last second to announce this, seems fishy. It could be hip surgery for something minor, or maybe he elected this as opposed to rehab once the team had cap problems....surgery 6 months out....rehab maybe only 2-3 months out.

Because surgery sucks? If it is elective and there is a period of time in which rehab looks like it could correct the problem, then I think pretty much everyone is delaying a procedure until it is inevitable.

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[dfsflamesfan]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I can absolutely guarantee that if the Flames were a perennial cup favorite, and they were coming off a championship season, and they were dealing with a cap crunch that would force them to get rid of key young talent, AND they found a way to maintain the team under the cap without getting rid of any key talent, everyone on CP would be happy that they were able to do so.

This is pure jealousy.

Is anyone here going to tell me with a straight face that if Lucic suddenly came down with a rash that allowed him to go on LTIR and for us to get a true offensive center/winger to supplement our team with that cap space, that anyone here would be upset about it. Does anyone think we would be focused on doing the honorable thing and honoring Lucic's contract without taking the LTIR relief?

Kucherov isn't playing for the full season. He may not be in adequate game shape by the time the playoffs roll around, so essentially you may be losing your top offensive forward for the year to a hip injury that requires surgery.

Okay, so you take lemons and you make lemonade. Sign the rest of the roster that you wouldn't be able to. People can bitch about the timing, but it's a business decision based on a health situation. If Kucherov could play at 100% and the injury would resolve itself with treatment, I can guarantee that he would be playing and that they would have to move some salary to sign some guys. They're just making the most out of the situation, and who can blame them? I wish all GMs for teams I cheered for were this shrewd. Everyone can do what they're doing. There's nothing in the CBA saying they can't. If it becomes that big of a problem, then amend the CBA next time around.

Jesus...the whining around here sometimes is unbearable.

Imagine if it was Tkachuk or Gaudreau that was announced to be out for the rest of the season. Star player getting hurt and out for the season just sucks in general for all parties involved.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Cirelli 72nd overall 2015
Point 79th overall 2014

To get guys who play NHL games is one thing but getting 3rd rounders who are way above replacement level is outstanding. To be emulated.

[browntrout]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Cirelli 72nd overall 2015
Point 79th overall 2014

To get guys who play NHL games is one thing but getting 3rd rounders who are way above replacement level is outstanding. To be emulated.

Wow big Tampa Bay fan on the board .. guess those first overalls are to be emulated as well

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by browntrout

Moving forward, I wish the league would extend the cap compliance to the playoffs.

The players would never agree to that. The trade deadline would have passed and it would be punitive to the players to have them sent to the minors during the playoffs.