Original IFC Saddledome Drawings

[topfiverecords]

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

I'm not sure I totally understand what you're offering.

IFC = issued for construction.

It's the final drawing set used by the construction team to execute the project.

[Textcritic]

These are amazing. Thank you for sharing.

[GreatWhiteEbola]

I need help, I examine plans all day, then come home and look at drawings for fun.

Thank you for this Gomer.

[topfiverecords]

I’m disappointed some poor junior A.T. wasn’t tasked to hand draw every individual seat.

[Flapper97]

Interested as well

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

As an Intern Architect, I look at these and shiver thinking of all the hand drafting. Everything is so much more elegant and beautiful compared with drawing sets now but thank God for CAD/Revit.

I don’t know, now I’m expected to finished something in a handful of hours that I probably would have had all week to do in the 80’s. I’m torn on the whole thing haha.

[topfiverecords]

Manual drafting was relaxing and enjoyable. CAD took all the fun out of it and made the art a production line job. I changed career paths pretty quick after a couple years CAD drawing details.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I don’t know, now I’m expected to finished something in a handful of hours that I probably would have had all week to do in the 80’s. I’m torn on the whole thing haha.

It's a love-hate relationship.
I can barely draw a straight line, so I don't know if I could have cut it in the hand-drafting era, but I would much rather work in a less restrictive program like rhino. It's a necessary evil to really be competitive though.

[Sylvanfan]

Cool, as some people know I made the mistake of becoming a Draftscreature. So despite the fact that it's a poverty line paying job (granted still employed today) with a lot of people who blame you for every mistake and schedule delay....I can't help myself from having an interest in these. Anyone thinking of taking this up as a career...don't....if you do, avoid anything to do with steel. But I do love looking at old drawings, some of the hand drawn details for sky scrapers built in the 20's in New York are mind blowing.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

As an Intern Architect, I look at these and shiver thinking of all the hand drafting. Everything is so much more elegant and beautiful compared with drawing sets now but thank God for CAD/Revit.

At times I wonder if too many people are focused on trying to use the software, and how work that, but forget to consider how things can be built and constructed. Just because you can model it in revit does not mean you can build it, but so many people think that. Even though the prints for the Dome are around 40 years old...I'm not so sure that a set of Construction Drawings goes thru the design, draw and build process any faster today than it would have back in 1981 despite the fact that we should have much superior tools to work with. I always admire the visualization skills that people from that era had. They could do things right the first time without the use of 3D viewers, pretty impressive.

But I hear you...if you can't import data from an excel sheet into a program to draw everything for you...someone else does. Plus they do it offshore, and someone with PHD's in Engineering, Computer Science, and Medicine in India gets paid like $75 a month. Somehow that same person can't get the length of a column correct, and thinks the slab edge supports are fine to float in space without any support because the revit model showed it that way.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I always admire the visualization skills that people from that era had. They could do things right the first time without the use of 3D viewers, pretty impressive.

I agree with almost all of this, but there is a 0% chance there weren’t constant change orders on old hand drawn plans. Especially when it came to running services, which is a key selling point to Revit. Not that they are avoided today, a lot of that being due to the other points you made.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

At times I wonder if too many people are focused on trying to use the software, and how work that, but forget to consider how things can be built and constructed. Just because you can model it in revit does not mean you can build it, but so many people think that. Even though the prints for the Dome are around 40 years old...I'm not so sure that a set of Construction Drawings goes thru the design, draw and build process any faster today than it would have back in 1981 despite the fact that we should have much superior tools to work with. I always admire the visualization skills that people from that era had. They could do things right the first time without the use of 3D viewers, pretty impressive.

But I hear you...if you can't import data from an excel sheet into a program to draw everything for you...someone else does. Plus they do it offshore, and someone with PHD's in Engineering, Computer Science, and Medicine in India gets paid like $75 a month. Somehow that same person can't get the length of a column correct, and thinks the slab edge supports are fine to float in space without any support because the revit model showed it that way.

This is getting so far off topic, but I can tell you, having just graduated with a master's, the M. Arch program I took spent almost no time teaching Revit. Unfortunately we also didn't get a lot of instruction in practical design, or understanding how a building actually goes together.
I think the biggest problem with Revit, is too few of the people using it, really understand how to use it, so a lot of the utility and efficiency is lost.

[GomerPile]

Alright, I am not the most tech-savvy folk out there. I believe this link should allow access - https://www.dropbox.com/s/fes4nx4twd...01%20.pdf?dl=0

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by GomerPile

Alright, I am not the most tech-savvy folk out there. I believe this link should allow access - https://www.dropbox.com/s/fes4nx4twd...01%20.pdf?dl=0

Holy crap these are amazing!!! Thanks so much for sharing.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by GomerPile

Alright, I am not the most tech-savvy folk out there. I believe this link should allow access - https://www.dropbox.com/s/fes4nx4twd...01%20.pdf?dl=0

Looks like I'll be making an excuse to go into the office to use our large fomat plotter. Thanks so much for sharing!

[MrMike]

What an amazing piece of history, especially with the new building on its way.

Really appreciate these Gomer thanks.

[Robbob]

I don't know why, but I feel like I just got the plans to the death star.

[MrMike]

Now someone should take these and build an exact replica for a first person shooter game or even minecraft.

[metroneck]

CANA.... My first real job.