[News] Kucherov out for the regular season

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by neo45

I’m also no doctor but it’s fishy to me that the options seem to be “he’s fine” or “he’s on the Long Term Injured reserve” depending on what happens with a hip injection

The first 4 words in your post invalidate the rest.

[Scroopy Noopers]

I wouldn’t even sit out for a beer league game to let someone’s out of town brother-in-law dress.

You don’t get to that level without being a thoroughbred. You aren’t taking a voluntary seat to help your team figure out their cap issues. That sounds like a GM problem, not an all stars problem. Especially after winning a cup. Nothing left but personal records.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I wouldn’t even sit out for a beer league game to let someone’s out of town brother-in-law dress.

You don’t get to that level without being a thoroughbred. You aren’t taking a voluntary seat to help your team figure out their cap issues. That sounds like a GM problem, not an all stars problem. Especially after winning a cup. Nothing left but personal records.

Yeah when you put it that way I do agree.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I wouldn’t even sit out for a beer league game to let someone’s out of town brother-in-law dress.

You don’t get to that level without being a thoroughbred. You aren’t taking a voluntary seat to help your team figure out their cap issues. That sounds like a GM problem, not an all stars problem. Especially after winning a cup. Nothing left but personal records.

That’s the player perspective. From the team perspective I don’t get the “we would rather have the player” argument at all:

- you still get the player for the playoffs healed and rested where your season really matters
- you don’t have to lose a good young piece like Cirelli forever
- you aren’t remotely threatened by the teams in your top heavy division. You just won the cup without Stamkos
- you don’t need to commit to losing him for all 56 games right now. This move buys you time at the very least

From Tampa’s perspective losing Kucherov for 56 games that don’t really matter to them is the biggest downside and it’s really not that big of an issue for them

As for the player I don’t think dealing with a nagging injury while still getting paid and not having to deal with COVID travel, only to come back fresh for a cup run sounds all that bad.

Also players don’t just win one cup and then get tunnel vision for personal records as you make it sound. His ultimate goal this year is still another cup. It’s the ultimate prize even if you already have one

[Tiger]

Originally Posted by neo45

I’m also no doctor but it’s fishy to me that the options seem to be “he’s fine” or “he’s on the Long Term Injured reserve” depending on what happens with a hip injection

I just had a injection in the shoulder, basically as a test. the doctor said "if this help then X, but if it doesn't help than it is something worse." probably the exact same issue. If the shot works, it is inflammation and can be handled, if not it is ligament damage.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Tiger

I just had a injection in the shoulder, basically as a test. the doctor said "if this help then X, but if it doesn't help than it is something worse." probably the exact same issue. If the shot works, it is inflammation and can be handled, if not it is ligament damage.

Just a total side story about cortisone shots, I had this medium-high pain that shot from my stomach down my leg as well as into my *redacted*. I was obviously worried. My doctor said it was a somewhat common hockey injury and gave me a cortisone shot in the stomach! (Needle in the stomach isn’t something I ever want again).

Anyway, one shot and it was gone. But I also I wouldn’t have been LTIR if I played pro. To clarify I was mocking the difference in reporting, as they have basically covered everything.

Edit: I missed that last sentence, well that is interesting! Maybe my doctor explained that as I was recovering from learning about the injection point.

[FlamesAddiction]

I don't know how common it actually is, but you sometimes hear about players avoiding surgeries throughout their careers and going the "pain management" route, which can be dangerous.

I am not sure if this would be the case with Kucherov, but if ever there was a year to bite the bullet and use the time to heal instead of playing, this is it.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Had the league shut down the loophole that allowed Patrick Kane to come back in the playoffs, which put the Blackhawks over the cap (IIRC)? Not a conspiracy, but it did create an unfair situation.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by MrMike

What a coincidence. Probably be just fine in time for the playoffs or as soon as they make a trade.

Maybe if TB is really “lucky”, Hedman will be out too...


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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Had the league shut down the loophole that allowed Patrick Kane to come back in the playoffs, which put the Blackhawks over the cap (IIRC)? Not a conspiracy, but it did create an unfair situation.

What loophole? And how is it in any way unfair that the Blackhawks were able to ice their best lineup in tbe playoffs?

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[AC]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

What loophole? And how is it in any way unfair that the Blackhawks were able to ice their best lineup in tbe playoffs?

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https://www.tsn.ca/gms-would-like-an...phole-1.454158

Kane was injured and the Blackhawks used his capspace to acquire Vermette, Timonen, and Desjardins. Once the regular season ended and the cap no longer applied, they immediately reactivated Kane (shockingly early compared to what was originally reported as his expected recovery timeline).

His timeframe for return was approximately 12 weeks, or maybe sometime during the Western Conference final.

The catch is there is no salary cap during the Stanley Cup playoffs. Every team must be cap compliant through the end of the regular season, but the numbers can pretty much be thrown out the window after that day.

Knowing that, Bowman placed Kane on the long-term injury list, where the Blackhawks were then permitted to add replacements equal in value to his $6.3 million salary-cap hit.

Bowman added Antoine Vermette ($3.5 million), Kimmo Timonen ($2.75 million) and Andrew Desjardins ($800,000) at the exact cost of Kane’s deal. But in order for it to work, Kane needed to miss the remainder of the regular season.

Kane magically healed in half the time, and was ready for Game 1 of the Blackhawks’ first-round series against Nashville. Without any cap in the playoffs, Chicago was able to hang onto all three of those pieces for their third Stanley Cup run in five years.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by AC

https://www.tsn.ca/gms-would-like-an...phole-1.454158

Kane was injured and the Blackhawks used his capspace to acquire Vermette, Timonen, and Desjardins. Once the regular season ended and the cap no longer applied, they immediately reactivated Kane (shockingly early compared to what was originally reported as his expected recovery timeline).

Yah the blackhawks thought it was best to trade for 3 average players and squeeze into the playoffs by 3 points while holding their best player out till the playoffs.

[Ped]

IIRC Kucherov had hip issues in the past as well. Not surprising he may go the surgery route, with compressed time off this off-season and possibly next as well.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Unrelated, I was watching Sportsnet this morning and was wondering if Elliotte was sick, he looked really thin and drawn.

Let's pray he's ok, and not hiding an illness.....

[AC]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Yah the blackhawks thought it was best to trade for 3 average players and squeeze into the playoffs by 3 points while holding their best player out till the playoffs.

Yeah, it's not like it helped them win the Cup or anything that year.

By waiting until the playoffs to reactivate Kane, the Blackhawks added $6.3M in salaries, who played 21, 20, and 18 playoffs games to help Chicago win the Cup.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Yah the blackhawks thought it was best to trade for 3 average players and squeeze into the playoffs by 3 points while holding their best player out till the playoffs.

I wasn't implying that they held him out, or that TB would hold back Kucherov now. The idea that there isn't a cap in the playoffs seems to be a loophole. If TB is using LTIR, it could have a problem if Kucherov came back in game 55 or something, but could just add him if they waited for game 1 of the playoffs? It doesn't make sense.

[sureLoss]

Kucherov is out for the regular season

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BREAKING: #tblightning GM Julien BriseBois said Nikita Kucherov will have hip surgery and he will not play during regular season

[keenan87]

Shouldn't be allowed to play in the playoffs either. Lightning stay away from having to make a bad trade to fix their cap and will get a fresh Top 5 player in the world likely joining them in the playoffs.

Timing just seems incredibly odd here.

[dammage79]

A forward having hip surgery? Pffft. Hes gonna lose so much skating ability.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Shouldn't be allowed to play in the playoffs either. Lightning stay away from having to make a trade to fix their cap and will get a fresh Top 5 player in the world likely joining them in the playoffs.

Timing just seems incredibly odd here.

The guy is having hip surgery. Do we really think there is some funny business here?