Name the Sister Franchise

[zuluking]

Originally Posted by getbak

Even the Flames and Flyers logos are similar in that they're the city's initial with something coming off the left side that represents the team's name.

Of course, with the relaunch of you-know-who, the two most remarkable mascots...

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I could see that.

Without getting into too much detail (of my completely subjective comparisons lol) I tried to look at franchises with similar appeal, success/failures, makeup, and prestige in the last 15 or so years (not exact, just recent history).

The reason for that being the complete disparity in franchise ages and how older teams shift their identity and success over time, so it's harder to pick who Vegas compares to, for example. I also found that I couldn't really name sister franchises for every team, because there are some that really are in their own little strange world (like the unique tire fire in Ottawa).

Either way, it's a pretty fun exercise. CGY/PHI, EDM/NYI, WPG/BUF, and CHI/PIT were definitely the easiest comparisons for me.

How do you see WPG/BUF? Both are cold AF and no player wants to be there, but WPG is punches above its weight, strong management, stable management, preforms relatively well. What am I missing.

Same with COL/BOS, I can't make the immediate connection.

I agree some teams have no obvious comparable (Ottawa, Montreal, Vegas)

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I could see that.

Without getting into too much detail (of my completely subjective comparisons lol) I tried to look at franchises with similar appeal, success/failures, makeup, and prestige in the last 15 or so years (not exact, just recent history).

The reason for that being the complete disparity in franchise ages and how older teams shift their identity and success over time, so it's harder to pick who Vegas compares to, for example. I also found that I couldn't really name sister franchises for every team, because there are some that really are in their own little strange world (like the unique tire fire in Ottawa).

Either way, it's a pretty fun exercise. CGY/PHI, EDM/NYI, WPG/BUF, and CHI/PIT were definitely the easiest comparisons for me.

All I saw was:

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Yup, Calgary is Philly west.

Edmonton and NYI makes more sense to me - Eberle

LA = MON -Kovalchuk

BOS = COL - Bourque

MIN = NJ - Parise

[Cycling76er]

All I can think of is:


EDM = NG

I've got nothing else.

[Samonadreau]

Ya Philly sounds about right

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

How do you see WPG/BUF? Both are cold AF and no player wants to be there, but WPG is punches above its weight, strong management, stable management, preforms relatively well. What am I missing.

Same with COL/BOS, I can't make the immediate connection.

I agree some teams have no obvious comparable (Ottawa, Montreal, Vegas)

Yeah, the problem I ran into thinking about it was a complete lack of consistency when trying to compare two cities, so some criteria used to compare CGY/PHI is was weighted differently to me than WPG/BUF.

WPG/BUF to me:
- Undesirable spots for players (and generally, the world)
- Young stars, some that stand out (Eichel, Schiefele), with a 2nd overall pick that is good, but not exceptional considering the draft position (Laine, Reinhart - not saying they're equals)
- Both with one superstar over the past 30 years (Selanne - technically, Hasek)
- Both with a player who straight up decided they would rather not play hockey than play for them (Byfuglien, Berglund)
- They both have Dale Hawerchuk in their team hall of fame
- They like blue... a lot? Specifically switching between different shades of blue
- Both cities have completely pointless football teams
- Ridiculous names for their citizens (Winnipegger? Is this a "phrasing" thing? Buffalonian? Come on, sounds like baloney)
- Both generally suck, yet for some reason have like 1 fan on who hangs around on a Calgary Flames message board

So, as you can see, very careful and serious analysis

[sharkov]

Edmonton is Pittsburgh’s evil twin. Get a generational pick and a near generation pick two years in a row. However the magnitude of Pittsburgh’s success is the same as the magnitude of Edmonton’s no goodness making Edmonton the evil mirror twin

[VANFLAMESFAN]

No idea if it’s still the case but I’m damn near positive the Flyers used to have the same goal horn as the Flames. I’m talking mid 2000’s it was almost for sure.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by CSharp

I would almost say that the St Louis Blues is the Flames sister team.

Wish we had their playoff streak.

[Tsawwassen]

Originally Posted by Poe969

As much as I hate to say it, I think the Flames sister team is the leafs. My buddy is a leafs fan and whenever we're talking about hockey, it seems like both teams are in the same position. They were good a long time ago and have since mired in the sea of mediocrity since. Both teams have had a good stretch here or there but they're not really contenders or a true powerhouse. Both need a lot of work to take the next step.

Nope, not even close. The Flames have been to 3 SC Finals and won the cup once in the last 34 years. The Leafs haven't made the Finals in 53 years!

[Tsawwassen]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

MIN = CLB
Franchises established in 2000 who are middling and have had zero playoff success

Good one and I'll use that template.

VAN = BUF
Franchises established in 1970 who are stumbling and haven't won the Cup.

[ricardodw]

the last 10 seasons 2009-10 through 2019-20

regular season wins: Flyers 433 12th overall Flames 420 18th overall
regular season pt % Flyers .571 12th overall Flames .544 19th overall

Playoff games Flyers 64 13th overall Flames 20 27th overall
Playoff wins: Flyers 30 13th overall Flames 6 29th overall

from 1999-2000 thru 2019-2020

regular season wins: Flyers 801 9th overall Flames 758 20th overall
regular season pt % Flyers .577 8th overall Flames .540 22nd overall

Playoff games Flyers 153 5th overall Flames 72 23rd overall
Playoff wins: Flyers 74 8th overall Flames 31 23th overall

from 1989-1990 thru 2019-2020

regular season wins: Flyers 1,164 8th overall Flames 1,108
12th overall (some years in a 21 team league)
regular season pt % Flyers .563 9th overall Flames .533 19th overall

Playoff games Flyers 210 10th overall Flames 109 24th overall
Playoff wins: Flyers 105 12th overall Flames 44 24th overall

from 1979-80 to 1989-90 The Flames and Flyers were very comparable in these categories ranking 2rd - 6th in all of them with the Flyers being ahead in all categories.

After that the Flyers were a top half of the league team and the Flames were a bottom half of the league team.

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

- Ridiculous names for their citizens (Winnipegger? Is this a "phrasing" thing? Buffalonian? Come on, sounds like baloney)

Calgarians isn't much better. We're like the offbrand Cardassians.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by SebC

Wish we had their playoff streak.

Maybe that'll rub off if we start trading with them again and get the necessary players needed for a championship team like what had happened in the late 80's.

[powderjunkie]

It's hard to think of a contemporary sister franchise to the Red Wings.

Maybe Canadiens from expansion to the mid 90's are like DET from '85-'16?

[Tabaracci_31]

As a fan of both the Flames and Flyers, I find your comparison...haunting.