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Claude Lapointe 7 2.95%
J.S. Giguere 111 46.84%
Tim Ramholt 6 2.53%
Kyle Greentree 1 0.42%
Sven Baertschi 112 47.26%
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Old 05-12-2020, 02:13 PM   #21
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Between Ramholt and Bear-chee, we haven't had very good luck in terms of Swiss prospects wearing #47.

Ramholt hurts even more because the 2003 Draft was amazingly deep and Shea Weber was available in the second round, ten picks after we selected Ramholt (because we already picked Phaneuf in the first round I wonder if that impacted who we picked in the second round). Patrice Bergeron was also available with that pick as well.
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Old 05-12-2020, 02:42 PM   #22
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Between Ramholt and Bear-chee, we haven't had very good luck in terms of Swiss prospects wearing #47.

Ramholt hurts even more because the 2003 Draft was amazingly deep and Shea Weber was available in the second round, ten picks after we selected Ramholt (because we already picked Phaneuf in the first round I wonder if that impacted who we picked in the second round). Patrice Bergeron was also available with that pick as well.
The most puzzling thing about it all is Sutter was seemingly focused on big strong WHL players and was weary of soft Euro players at the time.

The fact he grabbed Ramholt there has puzzled me for years.
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Old 05-12-2020, 04:30 PM   #23
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I'll always have a slight soft spot for Baertschi as he arguably ignited the Flames rebuild. It was nice as a fan to have a high end prospect to look forward to instead of hoping that 35 year old Brendan Morrison was the going to push the Flames over the top. Spoiler. He didn't.

For better or worse, the Flames org needed someone to latch their hope onto. The team was on pace for a 3rd 90+ point playoff miss in a row. The Oilers just drafted Hall and RNH. Vancouver was close to their peak. Baertschi didn't work out, but for a short time, he was the future of the Flames. Especially after his late season 3 goal emergency callup.
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Old 05-12-2020, 04:32 PM   #24
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The most puzzling thing about it all is Sutter was seemingly focused on big strong WHL players and was weary of soft Euro players at the time.

The fact he grabbed Ramholt there has puzzled me for years.
Ramholt was one of the first times I really remember Button telegraphing that pick to the Flames on the radio in the days before the draft
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Old 05-12-2020, 04:38 PM   #25
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I sometimes wonder if Sven has unfinished business in Calgary.
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Old 05-12-2020, 04:50 PM   #26
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I sometimes wonder if Sven has unfinished business in Calgary.
Like he didn't pick up his dry cleaning, or cancel his cable, or something like that?
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Old 05-12-2020, 05:17 PM   #27
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It is going to be tough for him to bounce back after his concussion/injury history though.
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Old 05-12-2020, 05:50 PM   #28
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Well he did neither in Calgary.

I think this vote illustrates the confusing nature of the vote to me. Giguere would go on to be an awesome player, but in Calgary he was a fourth stringer when we didn't have great goalies. Less than 20 games started, few wins, poor save percentage. We're obviously not comparing him to Iginla, but at least Baertschi contributed to the Flames in the few (but 3x more than JS) games that he did play. Giguere was just sort of here.

If it wasn't for his success after leaving the Flames, this vote is a landslide for Baertschi in my opinion.
Looking back on stats 20 years later you can say Giguere had "less than 20 games started, few wins, poor save percentage" but at the time there was lots of promise that won't show from the stats alone. '98-'99 was a tire-fire and keep in mind Giguere was a 21-year-old thrown to the wolves and was hurt. The year before him and Tyler Moss shared the Hap Holmes Award (the AHL equivalent of the Jennings Trophy) and the team lost in the Calder Cup finals. The Baby Flames were awful in '98-'99 without Giguere and Moss.

The next year they brought in Grant Fuhr to back up Freddie Brathwaite, but Fuhr should have hung his skates up; he was atrocious. Far worse than Giguere was in somewhat limited action during a two-month stretch in the middle of the season when Fuhr was hurt. Giguere only got four starts in 28 games, and they were mostly the latter half of back-to-backs.

Going into the 2000 off-season it looked like they were going to give him a shot as the NHL backup, especially after they traded Moss away to Pittsburgh at the deadline in March. They SHOULD have kept one of them as the NHL backup and sent the other packing for opportunities elsewhere, and that's what we all thought they'd done, until they jettisoned Giguere off to Anaheim in June and two weeks later brought in old-and-busted Mike Vernon to back up Brathwaite.

At the time I wondered WTF Craig Button was doing (it was Button's first action as GM, only a few days after he was hired) but in retrospect he was getting something for Giguere because he figured he'd lose him at the expansion draft. Anaheim saw the potential, they protected Giguere; he'd only been Ducks property for two weeks and they were so confident in him they left Guy Hebert, Dominic Roussel and Corey Hirsch exposed.
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Old 05-12-2020, 07:41 PM   #29
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I sometimes wonder if Sven has unfinished business in Calgary.
Pretty sure he's doing great picking up a fantastic paycheck as a Utica Comet.
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Old 05-12-2020, 08:48 PM   #30
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Had to go with Baertschi. That was an exciting callup, which did more than any of the other players listed. Handful of games, and then the pick he got turned into Andersson which is a boon.
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