Preds deal for review

[Swayze11]

Originally Posted by simmer2

PPG they are almost the same. The SIM will treat them the same. And Marner has many more years of RFA compared to Panarin.

It isn't way off but Zboril isn't quite close enough.

And i think the whole point of reviewing deals is exactly this type of discussion...

But agreed he is making pretty solid deals

I do agree it isn't close enough but we tend to have 1-2 of these conversations each season. I was always under the assumption this process was put in place to help GMs not get royally screwed like a 1st + 3rd for Marner. We all seem to agree that its pretty close, just needs a different adder or more adders.

I think the best feedback is the one Rob suggested with telling the new GM to make sure you put the player on the block to get a sense of value before making a move like this.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Swayze11

I do agree it isn't close enough but we tend to have 1-2 of these conversations each season. I was always under the assumption this process was put in place to help GMs not get royally screwed like a 1st + 3rd for Marner. We all seem to agree that its pretty close, just needs a different adder or more adders.

I think the best feedback is the one Rob suggested with telling the new GM to make sure you put the player on the block to get a sense of value before making a move like this.

To add if we look back this was dealt with in different ways before we did it this way.

In the "long time ago" there was no governance. GMs joined and other teams largely built their asset base at the expense of those new GMs.
So we tried to improve that by having the commissioners vote on deals. This put that decision in the hands of too small a group, which led to a lot of frustration across the board.

The intent was to change that so the power was back in the hand of the entire league. So the vote is what it is. My vote counts as one vote and nothing more. So if the collective POV is a deal isn't a good enough it gets rejected. Each GM has a different take on how diligent we should be on that or when is "good enough good enough" but on the aggregate it seems like it's worked a lot better.

The question was also asked, how many deals until a GM has the leash taken off. There is no set rule there, as it just comes down to how active they are, how sensible the deals are and if they seem ready to be on their own. In this case, we've been lucky to find a really solid new GM, who's made some good deals. So either way, he's probably close to being on his own.

But this thread has also provided a good learning that indeed when you are trading a guy like Marner - put him on the block to maximize the value.

We'll let the vote run longer and see how it shakes out. Or the two teams can resubmit with a change and we can re-vote.

[MJK]

I won’t weigh in on the debate but I’ll weigh in quick on one thing. Grant as the CPHL head honcho pulls a lot of weight. He is entitled to his opinion and has a ton of experience. But when he posts first that also holds a lot of weight and IMO is enough to sway some people a certain way aka if Grant thinks it’s no good, it must be no good. In this case all it takes as a couple GMs to just ‘follow’ based on the first post by Grant to alter the outcome of this trade of an approval vs rejection.

Just my opinion and an observation over the years.

[Quigz17]

I'm a huge Marner fan, but Panarin is better and going to be a stud for the next 5 years. Having to add anything to this is overthinking it, in my opinion.

Sent from my SM-G950W using Tapatalk

[Hanna Sniper]

1. Marner is elite

2. Rookie handcuffs is great, as much as it sucks at the time for the new guy. There’s a catching up to speed period and it’s hard enough without having a fresh fish sign around thier neck. Any deal denied can always be made another day. In the long run it’s a very short term safety measure

[TurdFerguson]

Don't forget there is a 2-3M cap difference in these guys. One is rfa for a while and the other is on his last RFA contract

[Cambam8]

Not sure how much weight this carries, but ive been in sim leagues for 10 plus years. Ive been around the block. One thing ive noticed is a 1st round pick( outside the top 5) with zero NHL games played can fetch a Pasta, Kucharov, Stamkos, Malkin etc...but a guy like Panarin at 28 in his prime isnt worth a Marner at 22? There is no logic behind that. Age is being discussed in this deal but swapping a unknown 1st rounder for a proven stud is accepted. We can rework the deal but im confused on values here.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Cambam8

Not sure how much weight this carries, but ive been in sim leagues for 10 plus years. Ive been around the block. One thing ive noticed is a 1st round pick( outside the top 5) with zero NHL games played can fetch a Pasta, Kucharov, Stamkos, Malkin etc...but a guy like Panarin at 28 in his prime isnt worth a Marner at 22? There is no logic behind that. Age is being discussed in this deal but swapping a unknown 1st rounder for a proven stud is accepted. We can rework the deal but im confused on values here.

Well when it comes to values this offseason I have been confused too!

[JonDuke]

Me three.

[TheScorpion]

Tell me about it. Grubauer and Lehner go for peanuts but then other guys get metric tonnes in return. Wheeling and dealing this offseason has been downright crazy.

[JonDuke]

I just didn't like it for cap reasons. Panarin is going to be one of the highest salaries and turns 28 on rollover so you pretty much have to go 3 years, which makes him even more expensive. Marner will also be expensive but has the option of being signed to a cheaper one year deal.
No matter who Nas has, once that contract is paid, there isnt a ton of wiggle room left to fill in the gaps.
I like Panarin but honestly think Marner has way more value.

[Swayze11]

It’s very easy people....