Mar 10 Practice Notes. Hanifin not on the ice.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

I'd bet a dollar he is traded this off season. It is apparent that management and coaches do not trust him.

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Pretty bold statement regarding a 1st year NHL player. If Bennett is any proof, the Flames will be patient with their young players.

[browna]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Pretty bold statement regarding a 1st year NHL player. If Bennett is any proof, the Flames will be patient with their young players.

I can see it. Assuming Valamaki is good to go, Flames have a glut of D. And if they have or want to make some trades to change a significant dynamic if the team in the offseason, the moves they make can’t be shipping out junk to get any sort of return. Also, expansion draft...

There a dedicated Bennett thread, but IMO there’s a part of ego involved with the Flames being so loyal. If Sam was a third round pick, not 4th overall, there may have been a lot less of a leash over these past years.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Pretty bold statement regarding a 1st year NHL player. If Bennett is any proof, the Flames will be patient with their young players.

He's a 2nd year player and 2 years in a row management has decided to bump him out of the lineup when it matters most. I think we are in for a mostly reconstructed blue line built around gio, hanifin, valimaki, andersson and maybe one of our ufa guys. I like Kylington but I think he will be traded in a package deal for help elsewhere.

[Toonage]

I think Kylington would have low trade value at this point. Given they will need depth defenders making less than $1M I could easily see him signed for a few more years at like $900k

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I think Kylington would have low trade value at this point...

On his own, yes. But I think it is more likely he would be moved in a larger package if Kylington ends up being traded this summer.

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[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I think Kylington would have low trade value at this point. Given they will need depth defenders making less than $1M I could easily see him signed for a few more years at like $900k

Why would Kylington sign a 3x 0.9m contract? Makes no sense, why would he do the flames a solid like that. It'll be one year for 0.7m or something.

He makes the most sense as a trade chip, I think he has the relative value of a 2nd round pick, maybe a 3rd. Management will want vets on the bottom pair. I think Forbort will be re-signed to something cheapish and they will find a couple depth vets to round out the d. Hamonic will walk, as will Brodie. They will have to choose between forbort and gus, I think they choose the actual defenseman. With valimaki back next year, I really don't see a spot for Kylington, especially with how the coaches and management purposely bury him.

Kylington+bennett+1st gets you something decent for instance. Could add another top 6 forward with that kind of offer. They could maybe find that elusive RW the team has lacked for years.

[Gaskal]

If all of Brodie, Hamonic, Stone and Gustaffson walk in the offseason that immediately leaves a deep hole on RD. I could see Kylington being switched to the right side then as he is reportedly comfortable playing the right, much like Brodie. Wasn't Hartley always saying you need to be an excellent skater to play your off-side as a D anyway?

He is waivers exempt until the 2020-21 season so I don't expect a decision to be made on his future with the team until then either, logjam or not.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by browna

There a dedicated Bennett thread, but IMO there’s a part of ego involved with the Flames being so loyal. If Sam was a third round pick, not 4th overall, there may have been a lot less of a leash over these past years.

If the Ducks were offering Lindholm or a 1st round pick two years ago and now they are offering a 3rd round pick, I dont think the ego is with the leash...

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

If all of Brodie, Hamonic, Stone and Gustaffson walk in the offseason that immediately leaves a deep hole on RD. I could see Kylington being switched to the right side then as he is reportedly comfortable playing the right, much like Brodie. Wasn't Hartley always saying you need to be an excellent skater to play your off-side as a D anyway?

He is waivers exempt until the 2020-21 season so I don't expect a decision to be made on his future with the team until then either, logjam or not.

Gio Andersson
Hanifin- x
Valimaki - x

I think they try Hanifin on the right side on pair 2 unless they sign a guy like Vatanen. I think they might bring Forbort or Gus back, depending on price. Valimaki will be broken in slowly on pair 3 most likely. I doubt he is paired with Kylington and neither valimaki or Kylington will be on the 2nd pair. I think the writing is on the wall for Oliver, even with things so up in the air on D. I think there is really only one 'x' to fill as I doubt BT lets all 4 ufas walk. I really doubt Kylington is that guy.

He and Bennett still have some value and it wouldn't shock me at all of they were packaged together.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

If the Ducks were offering Lindholm or a 1st round pick two years ago and now they are offering a 3rd round pick, I dont think the ego is with the leash...

No way the Ducks ever offered us Lindholm for Bennett.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Nm

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Gio Andersson
Hanifin- x
Valimaki - x

I think they try Hanifin on the right side on pair 2 unless they sign a guy like Vatanen. I think they might bring Forbort or Gus back, depending on price. Valimaki will be broken in slowly on pair 3 most likely. I doubt he is paired with Kylington and neither valimaki or Kylington will be on the 2nd pair. I think the writing is on the wall for Oliver, even with things so up in the air on D. I think there is really only one 'x' to fill as I doubt BT lets all 4 ufas walk. I really doubt Kylington is that guy.

My gut feeling is that Brodie and Gus will walk for family reasons. No hard feelings as that should always be your #1 priority.

Sounds like they are in discussions with Hamonic but I believe they let him walk elsewhere that are offering more dollars and term. Win-win! Everyone breathes a sigh of relief.

Stone I think comes back. He's good at sitting and being a good teammate about it. Still on the payroll because of the buyout penalty, so hey if we're already paying him..

Vatanen would be really nice on Valimaki's right, but as a pending UFA he's going to want term and probably $5-6 million a year. Are you prepared to shell that out for a 2nd or 3rd pairing defenceman and do you feel like the Flames are able to outbid other prospective teams in doing so?

[Toonage]

I think Gustafsson will end up liking it in Calgary enough that they can retain him. Especially at a modest raise.

He might love Chicago, but they weren't entirely in love with him apparently.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Gaskal I hope your gut feel is wrong

Brodie has been here for 9 full seasons now. Family reasons is a curious reason to suggest he would leave, as you do get pretty firmly established in a city in a decade.

I would not see Vatanen as any kind of upgrade on Brodie either

[Harry Lime]

I wouldn't mind Gustafsson at all, if he wanted to stay for a modest raise. 2.4M/per would double his salary. The other player that I would be going after is Demelo (currently in Winnipeg). He is a plug and play, forget about him defenseman who is only making 900K, and would be looking for a contract in the same (or less) realm as Gusafsson.

For the bottom pairing, I'm really happy with what I've seen so far out of Yelesin.

Giordano - Andersson
Hanafin - Demelo/Gusafsson
Valamaki - Yelesin
Kylington

Looks good. I would want Kylington to get more reps somehow.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

No way the Ducks ever offered us Lindholm for Bennett.

united seems to think they did:

Originally Posted by united

Too bad the Flames and Ducks couldn’t get the pre-expansion trade that had Bennett and Lindholm as the main pieces over the finish line. Would have been a huge win for the Flames as tough as it would have been to see Bennett leave and join a division rival. The Flames didn’t want to lose the physicality and intangible aspect of Bennett’s positive impact in the dressing room, but overrated those impacts relative to what Lindholm was going to deliver.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

My gut feeling is that Brodie and Gus will walk for family reasons. No hard feelings as that should always be your #1 priority.



Sounds like they are in discussions with Hamonic but I believe they let him walk elsewhere that are offering more dollars and term. Win-win! Everyone breathes a sigh of relief.



Stone I think comes back. He's good at sitting and being a good teammate about it. Still on the payroll because of the buyout penalty, so hey if we're already paying him..



Vatanen would be really nice on Valimaki's right, but as a pending UFA he's going to want term and probably $5-6 million a year. Are you prepared to shell that out for a 2nd or 3rd pairing defenceman and do you feel like the Flames are able to outbid other prospective teams in doing so?

I just brought up Vatanen as an idea, it would depend on price but I could see him getting Gardiner's deal from last year. Free agency is weird though so you could be right but personally I think he ends up with a 5x 5m tops but probably less. He's a solid player, a little undersized, but I'm not sure why he would be much more sought after than Gardiner. I do think he would fit in nicely as either Gio or Hanifin's partner.

It does seem like Brodie will at least test free agency, too bad he's a good player, yes better than Vatanen. Brodie probably gets 6m on 5 or 6 years, which is a little rich for our cap situation anyway.

I would take Hamonic back in a 3rd pairing role on a modest deal but some dumb team will overpay.

Someone brought up DeMelo. I think he's a great target. Probably gets what Chiarot got last summer or close to. Would probably be less money and term than Vatanen.

Stone is fine as the 7D.

Either way, I think a vet is brought in to compliment Gio/Andersson/Hanifin and he's probably a RH shot. That leaves Valimaki as the 5D. They just need a decent, steady vet to play with him for a couple years. Nothing they need to blow their brains out over and Kylington doesn't really fit the bill imo.