I like Andrew Mangiapane

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by getoverit

Yep been a real nice surprise this year ��. Dube could learn a thing or two. I just don’t get the luv for him

a) lack of forward in prospects n recent years
b) world juniors

He's okay, but nothing spectacular. World junior performers always get a huge bump prospect in ratings NHL wide. It's not commonly justified.

[868904]

Originally Posted by getoverit

Yep been a real nice surprise this year 😊. Dube could learn a thing or two. I just don’t get the luv for him

Dube is younger than Mangiapane. At 21, Mangiapane wasn't even an NHL regular let alone being the line driver on a line with two veterans.

I'm glad the Flames have both guys. I like how both are tenacious and fearless. You can play if you are small, as long as you have a big heart.

I doubt Mangiapane comes close to peak Marchand. If he can score near 30 goals every year, i'd be pretty happy about that.

[FlamingHomer]

After trying to replace the chemistry Frolik had on that line with several other players, I think he has surpassed all aspects of Frolik's former existence. It shouldn't have been that difficult but for some reason, it was.

[jayswin]

Well basically Trelving tried to trade Frolik this summer, couldn't get a deal without retaining salary (or he didn't like the 5/6th round pick deals) and we walked one of our best players in team history to free agency because of it, then the right deal came along later due to injuries.

I like what Tre got for Frolik in the end, but god damn if you gave me

a) Frolik for nothing/little bit of salary retained for 6-8 years of Tkachuk, vs:
b) Tkachuk for a bridge deal that will either cost us $11 million AAV or Tkachuck testing the market after 4 years (much more likely)

Just give me the crappier return with the star player locked up. Especially considering how little we ended up doing with the cap space the Frolik trade opened up.

[FiveSeven]

Ever since I seen him take his first shot the NHL I had some strange feeling he would become good. Just the way he shoots and his tenacity.
He can change the angle of his shot so fast and so drastically, it's crazy.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

I'd be fine if Bread became Marchand, including the rat antics

Bread Marchand.

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[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Well basically Trelving tried to trade Frolik this summer, couldn't get a deal without retaining salary (or he didn't like the 5/6th round pick deals) and we walked one of our best players in team history to free agency because of it, then the right deal came along later due to injuries.

I like what Tre got for Frolik in the end, but god damn if you gave me

a) Frolik for nothing/little bit of salary retained for 6-8 years of Tkachuk, vs:
b) Tkachuk for a bridge deal that will either cost us $11 million AAV or Tkachuck testing the market after 4 years (much more likely)

Just give me the crappier return with the star player locked up. Especially considering how little we ended up doing with the cap space the Frolik trade opened up.

Also, Mangiapane.

Acrimonious holdout situation to get a 1 year deal at minimum salary, vs trying to get him on a 2 or 3 year deal for several hundred thousand more...and then playing Mangiapane in productive situations.

The difference between signing Mangiapane last year to a 2 or 3 year deal at 1 million vs. a 1 year at 700k is going to end up costing ownership a million+ in cash and is going to cost the team probably 1.5-2 million in AAV, disrupting the ability to fill out the roster.

All to keep a disgruntled player around for 5 goals in 3-4 months of work.

That is...bad.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Kane and Lindros - bums ammirite?

Beyond guys like Lindros, and Iggy’s brief use of 88, you have in the league today Kane, Brent Burns, and David Pastrnak

[TheScorpion]

It was a joke. But 88 is such a sick number and I'm glad the Flames are using it on such an awesome player. Sounds stupid but Janks wearing 77 is part of why I still have hype for him LOL

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by getoverit

Yep been a real nice surprise this year 😊. Dube could learn a thing or two. I just don’t get the luv for him

I think both will be good.

Dube is still pretty young and has show some flashes of promise.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

I'd be fine if Bread became Marchand, including the rat antics

Would that make him the pizza rat?

[Itse]

Marchand is a lofty comparison, but then again I've been expecting Mangiapane to plateau for a while now and he just keeps exceeding my expectations. Clearly I know nothing.

In any case I like Mangiapane too.

[mrchristy31]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Also, Mangiapane.

Acrimonious holdout situation to get a 1 year deal at minimum salary, vs trying to get him on a 2 or 3 year deal for several hundred thousand more...and then playing Mangiapane in productive situations.

The difference between signing Mangiapane last year to a 2 or 3 year deal at 1 million vs. a 1 year at 700k is going to end up costing ownership a million+ in cash and is going to cost the team probably 1.5-2 million in AAV, disrupting the ability to fill out the roster.

All to keep a disgruntled player around for 5 goals in 3-4 months of work.

That is...bad.

Is it though, I think it may end up saving the Flames significantly in the long run. The Flames can probably sign Mangiapane to either a bridge for 2-2.5 or long term around 4. If they were to wait until next year (which I'm sure he is going to progress), that number most likely goes up drastically.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by jayswin

a) lack of forward in prospects n recent years
b) world juniors

He's okay, but nothing spectacular. World junior performers always get a huge bump prospect in ratings NHL wide. It's not commonly justified.

Dube might just be the third best defensive forward on the team (behind Backlund and Lindholm and right there with Reider). When he finds the net (and I’m betting he will) he’s top six material easily.

He wasn’t just a world junior team member. He was on it twice and was team captain once. He was PPG every year except his rookie year in the dub, and way over in his last year. PPG in the AHL.

[Freddy]

I got called out for suggesting last year he projected to be a solid 2nd line winger, but I don’t think there’s any doubt now he’s going to carve out a solid NHL career. Mangiapane uses his line mates well, drives play, has elite finish, goes to all the dirty areas despite his size, and battles through broken noses and facial lacerations without a peep. I think Mangiapane is a perfect role model for Dube and if Johnny would absorb even a little bit of his resilience and tenacity he’d be much more effective in a playoff grind. As much as I love cheering for a big heavy team in a playoff run, I think a team loaded with Mangiapanes could beat the heavys with speed & nimbleness while battling through the physicality.

I hope they sign him long term this off season.

[Flamenspiel]

Definitely a top six player and along with Dube part if the reason that the Flames passed on getting a top six rental.

[Rando]

The handwringing over his next contract by some is puzzling. Though considering the source perhaps not.

Mangiapane's having a fantastic season but still on pace for under 40 points. Outside shot he passes that but this still ample opportunity to lock down a good young piece for who's capable of a breakout.

GrantedEV was lamenting how Polie of Nasvhille wouldn't have nickle and dimed Mangiapane, would've signed him long term immediately. Granted has previously praised the Calle Jarnkrok contract, so can safely assume that's what he was referring to. Polie of course only signed Jaarnkrok to a long term deal after a one year contract once his ELC was done... exactly the same as Treliving and Mangipane.

Treliving deserves heat for many things, playing hardball with a guy who had 54 NHL games isn't one of them.

[GioforPM]

Yeah, I have faith Mangiapane’s next contract will look pretty reasonable. He will make somewhere between 2 and 3 million for quite a few years I imagine. And that will look really really nice when he pots 25-30 every year.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Buzzard

5'10", 184 lbs eh? I think those are pretty generous to the upside stats. He looks not much bigger to me than JG on the ice, though plays much bigger for sure.

Yeah, Mangiapane is developing into a very good player, but there's no way he's 5'10", 184. He looks closer in size to Paul Byron than he is to Marchand. I'd guess he's actually 5'8" and 170.

[bubbsy]

Mangiapane has been a great surprise this year. He's got a decent shot & finish, ok speed, and decent offensive game.

What has made it a breakout year, at least in my eyes, is his realization of how to fight for the puck and actually win puck battles, in spite of his smaller size. He's added a level of tenacity that has really helped create turnovers and possession in the offensive zone.

I will say, that second line becoming a good line again, can be almost 80% attributed to Backlund suddenly waking up. We haven't seen this level of hustle, confidence, and just sheer try, at both ends of the ice from #11 in some time, but when he plays like that, he's an amazing #2 C to have. Hope he can keep it up.