Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Go Back   Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community > Main Forums > Fire on Ice: The Calgary Flames Forum
Register Forum Rules FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 03-02-2020, 06:03 PM   #21
jayswin
Celebrated Square Root Day
 
jayswin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by getoverit View Post
Yep been a real nice surprise this year ��. Dube could learn a thing or two. I just don’t get the luv for him
a) lack of forward in prospects n recent years
b) world juniors

He's okay, but nothing spectacular. World junior performers always get a huge bump prospect in ratings NHL wide. It's not commonly justified.
jayswin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-02-2020, 06:10 PM   #22
868904
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by getoverit View Post
Yep been a real nice surprise this year 😊. Dube could learn a thing or two. I just don’t get the luv for him
Dube is younger than Mangiapane. At 21, Mangiapane wasn't even an NHL regular let alone being the line driver on a line with two veterans.

I'm glad the Flames have both guys. I like how both are tenacious and fearless. You can play if you are small, as long as you have a big heart.

I doubt Mangiapane comes close to peak Marchand. If he can score near 30 goals every year, i'd be pretty happy about that.
__________________
Calgary Flames, PLEASE GO TO THE NET! AND SHOOT THE PUCK! GENERATING OFFENSE IS NOT DIFFICULT! SKATE HARD, SHOOT HARD, CRASH THE NET HARD!
868904 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to 868904 For This Useful Post:
Old 03-02-2020, 06:50 PM   #23
FlamingHomer
Powerplay Quarterback
 
FlamingHomer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Republic of Panama
Exp:
Default

After trying to replace the chemistry Frolik had on that line with several other players, I think he has surpassed all aspects of Frolik's former existence. It shouldn't have been that difficult but for some reason, it was.
__________________
Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand.
FlamingHomer is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to FlamingHomer For This Useful Post:
Old 03-02-2020, 07:09 PM   #24
jayswin
Celebrated Square Root Day
 
jayswin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Exp:
Default

Well basically Trelving tried to trade Frolik this summer, couldn't get a deal without retaining salary (or he didn't like the 5/6th round pick deals) and we walked one of our best players in team history to free agency because of it, then the right deal came along later due to injuries.

I like what Tre got for Frolik in the end, but god damn if you gave me

a) Frolik for nothing/little bit of salary retained for 6-8 years of Tkachuk, vs:
b) Tkachuk for a bridge deal that will either cost us $11 million AAV or Tkachuck testing the market after 4 years (much more likely)

Just give me the crappier return with the star player locked up. Especially considering how little we ended up doing with the cap space the Frolik trade opened up.

Last edited by jayswin; 03-02-2020 at 07:11 PM.
jayswin is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to jayswin For This Useful Post:
Old 03-02-2020, 07:31 PM   #25
FiveSeven
Powerplay Quarterback
 
FiveSeven's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Holland
Exp:
Default

Ever since I seen him take his first shot the NHL I had some strange feeling he would become good. Just the way he shoots and his tenacity.
He can change the angle of his shot so fast and so drastically, it's crazy.
__________________
Crypto/AI Developer.
FiveSeven is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-02-2020, 07:59 PM   #26
Textcritic
Acerbic Cyberbully
 
Textcritic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Canada 02 View Post
I'd be fine if Bread became Marchand, including the rat antics
Bread Marchand.

Sent from my SM-G920W8 using Tapatalk
__________________
Dealing with Everything from Dead Sea Scrolls to Red C Trolls

Quote:
Originally Posted by woob
"...harem warfare? like all your wives dressup and go paintballing?"
"The Lying Pen of Scribes" Ancient Manuscript Forgeries Project
Textcritic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-02-2020, 09:54 PM   #27
Flash Walken
Lifetime Suspension
 
Flash Walken's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jayswin View Post
Well basically Trelving tried to trade Frolik this summer, couldn't get a deal without retaining salary (or he didn't like the 5/6th round pick deals) and we walked one of our best players in team history to free agency because of it, then the right deal came along later due to injuries.

I like what Tre got for Frolik in the end, but god damn if you gave me

a) Frolik for nothing/little bit of salary retained for 6-8 years of Tkachuk, vs:
b) Tkachuk for a bridge deal that will either cost us $11 million AAV or Tkachuck testing the market after 4 years (much more likely)

Just give me the crappier return with the star player locked up. Especially considering how little we ended up doing with the cap space the Frolik trade opened up.
Also, Mangiapane.

Acrimonious holdout situation to get a 1 year deal at minimum salary, vs trying to get him on a 2 or 3 year deal for several hundred thousand more...and then playing Mangiapane in productive situations.

The difference between signing Mangiapane last year to a 2 or 3 year deal at 1 million vs. a 1 year at 700k is going to end up costing ownership a million+ in cash and is going to cost the team probably 1.5-2 million in AAV, disrupting the ability to fill out the roster.

All to keep a disgruntled player around for 5 goals in 3-4 months of work.

That is...bad.
Flash Walken is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-02-2020, 10:55 PM   #28
DeluxeMoustache
 
DeluxeMoustache's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM View Post
Kane and Lindros - bums ammirite?
Beyond guys like Lindros, and Iggy’s brief use of 88, you have in the league today Kane, Brent Burns, and David Pastrnak
DeluxeMoustache is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to DeluxeMoustache For This Useful Post:
Old 03-02-2020, 11:42 PM   #29
TheScorpion
First round-bust
 
TheScorpion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
Exp:
Default

It was a joke. But 88 is such a sick number and I'm glad the Flames are using it on such an awesome player. Sounds stupid but Janks wearing 77 is part of why I still have hype for him LOL
__________________
Need a great deal on a new or pre-owned car? Come see me at Platinum Mitsubishi — 2720 Barlow Trail NE

TheScorpion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-03-2020, 12:09 AM   #30
SeanCharles
First Line Centre
 
SeanCharles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by getoverit View Post
Yep been a real nice surprise this year 😊. Dube could learn a thing or two. I just don’t get the luv for him
I think both will be good.

Dube is still pretty young and has show some flashes of promise.
SeanCharles is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to SeanCharles For This Useful Post:
Old 03-03-2020, 12:19 AM   #31
Caged Great
Franchise Player
 
Caged Great's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Canada 02 View Post
I'd be fine if Bread became Marchand, including the rat antics
Would that make him the pizza rat?
__________________
Fireside Chat - The #1 Flames Fan Podcast - FiresideChat.ca
Caged Great is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-03-2020, 01:14 AM   #32
Itse
Franchise Player
 
Itse's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Helsinki, Finland
Exp:
Default

Marchand is a lofty comparison, but then again I've been expecting Mangiapane to plateau for a while now and he just keeps exceeding my expectations. Clearly I know nothing.

In any case I like Mangiapane too.
Itse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-03-2020, 07:14 AM   #33
mrchristy31
Draft Pick
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flash Walken View Post
Also, Mangiapane.

Acrimonious holdout situation to get a 1 year deal at minimum salary, vs trying to get him on a 2 or 3 year deal for several hundred thousand more...and then playing Mangiapane in productive situations.

The difference between signing Mangiapane last year to a 2 or 3 year deal at 1 million vs. a 1 year at 700k is going to end up costing ownership a million+ in cash and is going to cost the team probably 1.5-2 million in AAV, disrupting the ability to fill out the roster.

All to keep a disgruntled player around for 5 goals in 3-4 months of work.

That is...bad.
Is it though, I think it may end up saving the Flames significantly in the long run. The Flames can probably sign Mangiapane to either a bridge for 2-2.5 or long term around 4. If they were to wait until next year (which I'm sure he is going to progress), that number most likely goes up drastically.
mrchristy31 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-03-2020, 07:23 AM   #34
GioforPM
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jayswin View Post
a) lack of forward in prospects n recent years
b) world juniors

He's okay, but nothing spectacular. World junior performers always get a huge bump prospect in ratings NHL wide. It's not commonly justified.
Dube might just be the third best defensive forward on the team (behind Backlund and Lindholm and right there with Reider). When he finds the net (and I’m betting he will) he’s top six material easily.

He wasn’t just a world junior team member. He was on it twice and was team captain once. He was PPG every year except his rookie year in the dub, and way over in his last year. PPG in the AHL.
GioforPM is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to GioforPM For This Useful Post:
Old 03-03-2020, 07:45 AM   #35
Freddy
Powerplay Quarterback
 
Freddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Vancouver
Exp:
Default

I got called out for suggesting last year he projected to be a solid 2nd line winger, but I don’t think there’s any doubt now he’s going to carve out a solid NHL career. Mangiapane uses his line mates well, drives play, has elite finish, goes to all the dirty areas despite his size, and battles through broken noses and facial lacerations without a peep. I think Mangiapane is a perfect role model for Dube and if Johnny would absorb even a little bit of his resilience and tenacity he’d be much more effective in a playoff grind. As much as I love cheering for a big heavy team in a playoff run, I think a team loaded with Mangiapanes could beat the heavys with speed & nimbleness while battling through the physicality.

I hope they sign him long term this off season.
Freddy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-03-2020, 08:13 AM   #36
Flamenspiel
Lifetime Suspension
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Exp:
Default

Definitely a top six player and along with Dube part if the reason that the Flames passed on getting a top six rental.
Flamenspiel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-03-2020, 08:49 AM   #37
Rando
Lifetime Suspension
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Exp:
Default

The handwringing over his next contract by some is puzzling. Though considering the source perhaps not.

Mangiapane's having a fantastic season but still on pace for under 40 points. Outside shot he passes that but this still ample opportunity to lock down a good young piece for who's capable of a breakout.

GrantedEV was lamenting how Polie of Nasvhille wouldn't have nickle and dimed Mangiapane, would've signed him long term immediately. Granted has previously praised the Calle Jarnkrok contract, so can safely assume that's what he was referring to. Polie of course only signed Jaarnkrok to a long term deal after a one year contract once his ELC was done... exactly the same as Treliving and Mangipane.

Treliving deserves heat for many things, playing hardball with a guy who had 54 NHL games isn't one of them.
Rando is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 9 Users Say Thank You to Rando For This Useful Post:
Old 03-03-2020, 09:00 AM   #38
GioforPM
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
Exp:
Default

Yeah, I have faith Mangiapane’s next contract will look pretty reasonable. He will make somewhere between 2 and 3 million for quite a few years I imagine. And that will look really really nice when he pots 25-30 every year.
GioforPM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-03-2020, 09:28 AM   #39
CliffFletcher
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: May 2006
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzzard View Post
5'10", 184 lbs eh? I think those are pretty generous to the upside stats. He looks not much bigger to me than JG on the ice, though plays much bigger for sure.
Yeah, Mangiapane is developing into a very good player, but there's no way he's 5'10", 184. He looks closer in size to Paul Byron than he is to Marchand. I'd guess he's actually 5'8" and 170.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by fotze View Post
If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.

Last edited by CliffFletcher; 03-03-2020 at 10:13 AM.
CliffFletcher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-03-2020, 09:47 AM   #40
bubbsy
Franchise Player
 
bubbsy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Exp:
Default

Mangiapane has been a great surprise this year. He's got a decent shot & finish, ok speed, and decent offensive game.

What has made it a breakout year, at least in my eyes, is his realization of how to fight for the puck and actually win puck battles, in spite of his smaller size. He's added a level of tenacity that has really helped create turnovers and possession in the offensive zone.

I will say, that second line becoming a good line again, can be almost 80% attributed to Backlund suddenly waking up. We haven't seen this level of hustle, confidence, and just sheer try, at both ends of the ice from #11 in some time, but when he plays like that, he's an amazing #2 C to have. Hope he can keep it up.
bubbsy is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to bubbsy For This Useful Post:
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:22 PM.

Calgary Flames
2024-25




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright Calgarypuck 2021 | See Our Privacy Policy