A year of hardship on a downward trend. Imagine ignoring that. Imagine then calling out skeptical posters on top of it.
Imagine ignoring the fact that the definition of "hardship" is consistently re-defined year over year so that the skeptical posters are constantly enabled to be consistently skeptical.
Imagine ignoring the fact that the definition of "hardship" is consistently re-defined year over year so that the skeptical posters are constantly enabled to be consistently skeptical.
This is the Calgary Flames, you can redefine it over pretty much any timeline you want.
Yeah I've been pushing for them to trade Hamonic/Brodie all year, even though we are in the playoff race.
But you can't do that with Giorando/Hamonic injured.
It sucks, but really there is nothing you can do about it.
Just need to ride it out and hope the team pulls together and at least makes a bit of a run in the playoffs. Real worst case is those guys stay hurt past the deadline, your team struggles and falls out of the playoff race, and you still couldn't move anybody since you needed the bodies.
I think the key for Brad Treliving now is to not double down and spend even more assets to try and salvage the season. Bring in cheap depth pieces (spend nothing more than middling prospects or 3rd rounder) but don't go "big game hunting" to try and bring in a big piece at the deadline.
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That year was found money and this team was supposed to be in the McDavid race not the playoff race. Easier sell by Treliving than throwing the towel on a capped out team that thought they were cup contenders after finishing second overall last year.
Also tougher sell to the bosses upstairs even though this year has been filled with adversity.
I would be okay recouping assets with where this team is at but easier said than done from the GM’s chair
This is the Calgary Flames, you can redefine it over pretty much any timeline you want.
So playoff hockey is the Calgary Flames, is that your point? I might be not understanding, which is totally fair (so my apologies if I'm not). But right now, the sky is falling on a team that currently sits in a playoff spot. I've been a Flames fan for a long time (as I'm sure you have as well), and I'm remembering a lot............a lot of seasons where being in the battle for a playoff spot would have seemed like a dream, and that doesn't even factor in the shift in parity we've seen in the league over the past 15 years which has made finishing 8th for example mean a lot more than it used to in the early 2000's.
Point being, this team could be free and clear in first place by 20 points and the skeptical posters would be saying none of it matters until the playoff starts, and would be picking a part the team for "how" it's playing.
I'm not a fan of what I've seen so far this year, I think changes are needed. But the calls for a burn it to the ground approach before this core, who finished first last year but massively disappointing in the playoffs, has even been given the chance to play this year out (playoffs included if we make it) says more about the fan base then it does the team.
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Whether we trade Brodie or not isn't the issue.
The issue with this injury is that it may affect Hamonic's trade value. Hopefully he is able to return before the deadline as his predecessor Kris Russell did in 2016.
Hamonic isnt getting traded....at least i dont believe thats happening.
Brodie likely would have been but the injuries have changed all that.
The lack of any moves last deadline, over the summer and into this season put the GM in a corner for this deadline.
Thing is, injuries aren’t unexpected. I don’t know what the plan is, or was. No idea at all really. But I hope it hasn’t changed drastically. Unless it was a bad plan I suppose, then I guess change it?
don't put yourself in this position to begin with.
Considering Tkachuk was pushing for 5 years I don’t think that was the right play either. He had the right Brodie trade at the draft but Kadri blocked it. Apparently Brodie to the Devils was close before the Subban deal presented itself.
If Gio, Valimaki, and Hamonic are all coming back I hope Brodie is still traded for help up front. I am very much against losing Brodie and Hamonic for nothing this summer or worse overpaying to keep them
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Agreed but there is really little that BT can do about it.
Brodie should have been dealt before this season...thats when his value was highest.
It's unfortunate that after being healthy most of the year, Gio and Hamonic get injured right before the deadline. I'm sure Edwards would not be happy if Treliving moved Brodie for assets at the deadline crippling the team and causing them to miss the playoffs. We all know how much ownership values playoff revenue so it is what it is. That said the one poster was correct in that this team isn't going anywhere this season and maybe some fans are fine with making the playoffs to be used as a warmup/stepping stone for the real Cup contenders but I would rather write this season off and look to make the necessary changes so that the organization doesn't ice another fragile and disconnected group like this ever again as this has been an awful season.
So playoff hockey is the Calgary Flames, is that your point? I might be not understanding, which is totally fair (so my apologies if I'm not). But right now, the sky is falling on a team that currently sits in a playoff spot. I've been a Flames fan for a long time (as I'm sure you have as well), and I'm remembering a lot............a lot of seasons where being in the battle for a playoff spot would have seemed like a dream, and that doesn't even factor in the shift in parity we've seen in the league over the past 15 years which has made finishing 8th for example mean a lot more than it used to in the early 2000's.
Point being, this team could be free and clear in first place by 20 points and the skeptical posters would be saying none of it matters until the playoff starts, and would be picking a part the team for "how" it's playing.
I'm not a fan of what I've seen so far this year, I think changes are needed. But the calls for a burn it to the ground approach before this core, who finished first last year but massively disappointing in the playoffs, has even been given the chance to play this year out (playoffs included if we make it) says more about the fan base then it does the team.
Aside from a few obviously emotional responses in GT/PGTs, I've hardly seen anyone suggesting the bolded...most critics seem to have a fairly pragmatic approach IMO (focus on the next 2-3 yrs by selling unsecured assets before their values decline/expire...)
Until the team proves us wrong...we're not wrong?
What's so bad about pointing out concerning facts?
- Worst goal differential of any team in the hunt
- 25th in GF/gp; 16th in GA/gp
- 28th in GF 5V5; 19th in GA 5v5
- playoff position is largely propped up by 6-1 shootout record, and a strong pts% against ATL division teams. Barely .500 pts% against the PAC
- have barely suffered any injuries this season until now
It's great to believe that anything can happen. It's simply a matter of redirecting that mindset...anything can still happen, even if we trade Gaudreau/Brodie/Hamonic/anybody else (ie. playoff contention)...if the team folds like a cheap tent just because an important player or two is gone (be it injury or trade), that's a pretty good indication that it was never a group worth spending future assets on to chase a miracle.
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