All purpose goaltending thread

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

In the Game Takes (not sure if you all read them), Bingo took a nice look at Rittich and Talbot. Excellent and interesting




Bingo, where did you get this info? I’d be interested to see how some of the guys who get paid well stack up

It does seem like Rittich is more of a clutch and Hail Mary kind of goalie. He sometimes lets in some mundane goals but then comes up big when it counts.

I am glad that Talbot is on a hot streak and absolutely bailed the team out the last couple of games, but more often the Flames play more apprehensively when he starts. Typical of how many teams play in front of a back up.

But I say ride the hot hand for now.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

LOL Price today is not Hasek regardless of what team he's playing in front of.

Hasek, Nagano '98: 6 GP 0.97 GAA .961 sv%. 2 SO
Price, Sochi '14: 5 GP 0.59 GAA .972 sv% 2 SO

Close enough.

[GioforPM]

Look at their roster. It's easily the worst group of forwards in the NHL. When your big guns areMax Domi, Drouin and Gallagher, you do not have a chance.

Like I said above, part of the reason their roster is bad is because they’ve blown up their budget on a goalie, a defenceman and another defenceman who isn’t playing. Also, I think that Price and Weber are overpaid by 2 and 1 million respectively. Moreover, the term on each is killer. Goalies can last a while but 38? As soon as he signed, Price’s numbers started to drop and I think they will likely continue. There’s no way you could predict a big comeback, IMO.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Hasek, Nagano '98: 6 GP 0.97 GAA .961 sv%. 2 SO
Price, Sochi '14: 5 GP 0.59 GAA .972 sv% 2 SO

Close enough.

Czech 1998 Olympic Gold Medal winning team defense:
• Roman Hamrlik
• Jiří Šlégr
• Jaroslav Spacek
• Petr Svoboda
• Richard Šmehlík
• František Kučera
• Libor Procházka

Price played behind four James Norris Memorial Trophy winners.

It’s not remotely close.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Czech 1998 Olympic Gold Medal winning team defense:
• Roman Hamrlik
• Jiří Šlégr
• Jaroslav Spacek
• Petr Svoboda
• Richard Šmehlík
• František Kučera
• Libor Procházka

Price played behind four James Norris Memorial Trophy winners.

It’s not remotely close.

I said when Price has the national team in front of him, he's Hasek. He has better Numbers than '98 Hasek.

Carey Price is a good goalie. He didn't forget how to play the position. His team sucks, and he plays in a fishbowl. That contract is not the problem, his front office is.

[GreenLantern2814]

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[DeluxeMoustache]

https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/price-check/c-313885548

Cam Talbot was recognized on Monday as the NHL's Third Star of the Week. Talbot, who led the Flames to a perfect 3-0 record over the past week, had an NHL-best .973 save percentage and a 1.67 goals-against average over those three starts. Having won six of his last eight appearances, the Caledonia, Ont., native has improved to 7-7-0, along with a .922 save percentage and a 2.54 goals-against average this season. … While Talbot's efforts over the last little while have been incredible, to say the least, Rittich has turned in more than a few show-stoppers of his own. Rittich entered the night with a .925 high-danger save percentage at even strength dating back to Dec. 1. Only Toronto Maple Leafs backup Michael Hutchinson has been better in that situation with a mark of .941, but in a much smaller sample. Hutchinson has appeared in only five games in that span, while Rittich has double that. Who's third, you ask? You guessed it: Cam Talbot at .911.

I like the Flames goaltending this year

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I like the Flames goaltending this year

Me too!

[GreenLantern2814]

So, Carey Price, eh?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

So, Carey Price, eh?

James Neal had a 4 goal game. So, James Neal, eh?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

So, Carey Price, eh?

Yeah, he’s good. He’s not worth his contract, though.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

James Neal had a 4 goal game. So, James Neal, eh?

So now Carey Price is James Neal?

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Yeah, he’s good. He’s not worth his contract, though.

Most players aren't.

Look, it is impossible to win in this sport without a goalie. But if all you have is a goalie, you're just as ####ed.

The Habs have made a habit of putting together piss poor forward groups and expecting Carey Price to just do it all. In Montreal. Of all places.

When Max Domi had 72 points last year, it was the first time the Habs had a 70 point scorer since Tomas Plekanec in 2009-10. The Canadiens haven't had two players score 70 points in the same season this century. You have to go all the way back to 1996-97, when Vincent Damphouse and Dr Mark Recchi both reached 80.

So you may be right that Price isn't "worth" $10.5M, but how much of a hometown discount would you give that nest of vipers when the FO have made it obvious that it's all on you anyway? It's not on Price to turn down $80M.

[GreenLantern2814]

Condensed above

[ForeverFlameFan]

One thing is for certain, the goaltending has been above average this season. Very good and solid, better than most. You have two reliable guys that can get wins for you.

Just need to really get the offense going like we had in 2018/2019.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

...Look, it is impossible to win in this sport without a goalie. But if all you have is a goalie, you're just as ####ed.

The Habs have made a habit of putting together piss poor forward groups and expecting Carey Price to just do it all. In Montreal. Of all places.

When Max Domi had 72 points last year, it was the first time the Habs had a 70 point scorer since Tomas Plekanec in 2009-10. The Canadiens haven't had two players score 70 points in the same season this century. You have to go all the way back to 1996-97, when Vincent Damphouse and Dr Mark Recchi both reached 80.

So you may be right that Price isn't "worth" $10.5M, but how much of a hometown discount would you give that nest of vipers when the FO have made it obvious that it's all on you anyway? It's not on Price to turn down $80M.

No, it's not. And good for him for leveraging his career into that sort of life-time financial security. You will forgive me, however, for my substantial hesitation in believing that Price will ever position himself to win a Stanley Cup on that contract. The last fifteen or twenty years of history speaks rather powerfully against that possibility.

The bottom line for me is that while I agree that Carey Price is a very good goalie, he is not especially valuable because of the cap hit he carries. The gap between his own skill level and a sizeable number of other NHL goalies is simply not nearly enough to justify his price-tag. Therein is the problem: A winning combination is a goalie who is skilled, well rested, and inexpensive. Unfortunately for Price, he is only one of those things.

[GioforPM]

^^This

I like Carey price a lot, though I think other goalies have been better in various years. I just don't think you can pay that much for so long to a goalie, especially that age.

No, he doesn't have a good team in front of him. And if he had a better one, they'd win more. Fair enough. But to put a better team in front of him, maybe some of his salary would help.

Anyway, the point of my Neal comment was that one game doesn't justify an argument about a contract. And while Price was adequate against the Flames, that may have been the easiest shutout I've ever seen. Can anyone say that Rittich wasn't better?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

No, it's not. And good for him for leveraging his career into that sort of life-time financial security. You will forgive me, however, for my substantial hesitation in believing that Price will ever position himself to win a Stanley Cup on that contract. The last fifteen or twenty years of history speaks rather powerfully against that possibility.

The bottom line for me is that while I agree that Carey Price is a very good goalie, he is not especially valuable because of the cap hit he carries. The gap between his own skill level and a sizeable number of other NHL goalies is simply not nearly enough to justify his price-tag. Therein is the problem: A winning combination is a goalie who is skilled, well rested, and inexpensive. Unfortunately for Price, he is only one of those things.

I wonder if Montreal wouldn't be better off going even further all in on their goaltending. Maybe pay someone like Talbot $3.5M to come in and play 30 games a year. Because if your plan is just "Ride Carey Price", you should be giving him the full Kawhi treatment.

I know that's a crapton of money in goal, but they really don't have many other options. Price is 32, and you're not going to be able to assemble a superstar forward cast in the next three years when you haven't done it the previous 23.

I don't think you can win with Max Domi as your best forward, but with strong defence and a rested Price, you have a puncher's chance in any series.

He's a truly great player. He moves as well as he ever has. Goalies of his calibre regularly play well into their 30s at elite levels. Roy, Brodeur, Lundqvist, Belfour, Hasek, Luongo - 32-35 should still be considered prime years. .

I agree his contract is impossible to move, and the whole thing is a very difficult situation to resolve without salary retention. Who doesn't want Price at $7.5M?

Imagine Montreal trades Carey Price to Colorado for some collection of picks, including Bowen Byram, while retaining $3M. From an outside perspective, that would be just delicious.

Patrick Roy was 31 when he was acquired by the Avs. Joe Sakic probably makes that deal if he has the chance.