I enjoyed it. I was honestly expecting something worse with the reviews it’s getting. I actually like that Rey took the Skywalker name. It gives her a fresh start and distances herself from her much worse original lineage. I’m honestly now curious to see where Star Wars goes from here now that the original Skywalker family line is done.
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But man, what an absolute missed opportunity to have Ben and Anakin appear alongside Luke and Leia at the end.
I don't think that would have made sense with that scene though?
Kind of creepy how much better CGI Leia was this time around. I don't think I would have had any thought she wasn't a real actress if I didn't know better.
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I don't know if it was widely known, or I've done a good job of avoiding anything about this movie, but Lando showing up was a pretty nice surprise.
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The tie in to watching Yoda's force healing made that scene a lot more believable and authentic.
Han's scene was good too, and unexpected. Kilo Ren's redemption and kiss and all that was a little hard to buy into.
Rey's story and back story worked for me. She wins for least cringy Star Wars protagonist as well.
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I don't think that would have made sense with that scene though?
Kind of creepy how much better CGI Leia was this time around. I don't think I would have had any thought she wasn't a real actress if I didn't know better.
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I don't know if it was widely known, or I've done a good job of avoiding anything about this movie, but Lando showing up was a pretty nice surprise.
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The tie in to watching Yoda's force healing made that scene a lot more believable and authentic.
Han's scene was good too, and unexpected. Kilo Ren's redemption and kiss and all that was a little hard to buy into.
Rey's story and back story worked for me. She wins for least cringy Star Wars protagonist as well.
I think it would. They could have shown all the force-sensitive Skywalkers together. Would have brought all three trilogies together.
I’m also okay with Rey’s backstory. I’m glad she wasn’t a clone.
I can see the pacing issues. It really felt like they tried to fix a lot of what TLJ did wrong (saying Holdo’s hyperspace maneuver was 1 in a million, Luke admitting he was wrong, etc). I wish JJ had done the entire trilogy.
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I don't think that would have made sense with that scene though?
Kind of creepy how much better CGI Leia was this time around. I don't think I would have had any thought she wasn't a real actress if I didn't know better.
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I don't know if it was widely known, or I've done a good job of avoiding anything about this movie, but Lando showing up was a pretty nice surprise.
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The tie in to watching Yoda's force healing made that scene a lot more believable and authentic.
Han's scene was good too, and unexpected. Kilo Ren's redemption and kiss and all that was a little hard to buy into.
Rey's story and back story worked for me. She wins for least cringy Star Wars protagonist as well.
I wondered how the mandalorian would tie in, knew it would. I liked it.
I enjoyed it. I was honestly expecting something worse with the reviews it’s getting. I actually like that Rey took the Skywalker name. It gives her a fresh start and distances herself from her much worse original lineage. I’m honestly now curious to see where Star Wars goes from here now that the original Skywalker family line is done.
I think they left it open to return to these characters if they want to. They’d need a new big bad, but they can say the Skywalker part is done while still continuing from here.
I will say that I do actually care about these characters now. JJ did a good job making us care. I echo the statement that he should have done all three. His two have the Star Wars feel, 8 only kinda does.
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Much better than I was expecting. Loved the wedge Antilles cameo even if brief. Didn't like that Palpatine was introduced so early though, should have waited until the end to show him in full. Audiences need to wait for the payoff for a character like that
I'm kinda hogging this thread but one more post, for now. My ranking of all of the Skywalker movies with the two side movies:
1. Empire Strikes Back
2. A New Hope
3. The Rise of Skywalker (this may move to 2 after another viewing)
4. Rogue One
5. Solo
6. The Force Awakens
7. Return of the Jedi (though 4 -7 are all really close)
8. Revenge of the Sith
9. The Last Jedi
10. Attack of the Clones
11. The Phantom Menace
I have never had my son rank them, he's 12 now and has been watching these over and over since he was 3. We've watched The Clone Wars Series twice, but I think we'll attempt another watch through before the new season and we watched Rebels too. We have not even tried Resistance. I will post his ranking as I am super interested in his thoughts not being around when 1-6 were first releasedm (born on 2007).
I loved it. Honestly it's my favorite star wars film from Disney. I loved when Luke was like that's not how you treat a lightsaber or something like that.
So much action, this movie moves quickly but it never feels rushed.
The same who wrote Batman V Superman wrote this so maybe I just like his style but I really dug it and can't believe the poor ratings it's getting compared to Last Jedi.
I really enjoyed it too. Wrapped up the storyline nicely and didn’t go too far deep into the fan service as it seemed like they might.
It was really faced paced and didn’t really leave any time for the big moments to breathe, but its wrapping up a 9 part saga so maybe that shouldn’t be a surprise.
As somebody who liked the Last Jedi I actually think that the movies do actually support each other more than people think. The character development is TLJ is what allows for a lot of the storylines in this one to have a solid conclusion. Even stuff like Luke’s fear of training Rey make more sense when it’s revealed the Leia and Luke knew of her parentage. Also the character growth of Kylo, Luke, Poe, and Finn in TLJ are what allow this conclusion to hit home emotionally. The plot in that movie wasn’t the greatest, but the characters and their growth was great.
Also I think we may have been wrong that Disney didn’t have a plan here, the complete plot in the background may not have been exactly mapped out but I do think the story arcs of the character was always mapped out to go this way.
Rey - she is the proxy to Luke in this storyline. Constantly in a battle between the light and the dark. I think her relation to Palpatine was always planned, and was even hinted at in TLJ too in retrospect, saving the reveal for this movie did make it stronger overall I think.
Kylo - Think his redemption arc was always planned. The third movie was always supposed to be focused on Leia, and Leia was Kylo’s last connection to the light side of the force in both TFA & TLJ (Didn’t take the shot). Meant to be the Vader proxy but I think that redemption being the plan from the start made him a less effective villain, whereas it worked for Vader since at the start he was just supposed to be the menacing villain then plans changed in the OT.
Poe - Grows from the hot headed pilot to the clear general. His plot in TLJ is completed after Leia’s passing in TROS
Finn - Once again the character growth from being just a deserter trying to get freedom, to a guy chasing after Rey’s affection, to being the guy willing to make the sacrifice play was evident in all three movies.
Also having Finn start to feel the force more, and revealing the rest of deserters might be force sensitive too was nice. Since I did like that the angle of you don’t need to be a Skywalker to harness the force was a good angle they continued to probe after TLJ.
Also in the original trilogy we never saw Palpatine in person until the third act, and in the prequel trilogy we didn’t see Palaptines true plans/form until the third act. So Palpatine not being revealed here until the third movie also is in line with the previous trilogies.
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I was very satisfied with the movie. The first half I was totally into it, the Hux part kind of brought me out of it for a bit (though my 12 year old son pegged it and thought it was great so what do I know?). The end felt a little too rushed and I can see why they debated doing part 1, part 2. My only other gripe is the kiss, not needed there, the sacrifice was enough. (Trying to be somewhat spoiler free)
The kiss was my least favourite part of the movie and this trilogy I think. IMO it cheapens that moment. Ben and Rey had a special bond, they were two ends of the force, and had grown to this moment together. Making it about a sexual relationship in the end was just unnecessary and took away from it.
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Way better than TLJ. Really enjoyed it.
But man, what an absolute missed opportunity to have Ben and Anakin appear alongside Luke and Leia at the end.
Edit: I also think Rey should have owned the Palpatine name at the end to.
Yeah it just being Luke and Leia was weird at first to me too, but Thinking about it more I guess it makes sense in some ways too. They were the two “pure Jedi” of the Skywalker clan, and they were the only two that trained Rey. Ben is the only real absence due to their connection.
People had criticized the revised version of force ghosts in ROTJ because Luke never saw knew that version of Anakin. Well it would be similar here if suddenly Anakin (or some of the other Jedi appeared) since Rey had no connection to them.
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I think it would. They could have shown all the force-sensitive Skywalkers together. Would have brought all three trilogies together.
I’m also okay with Rey’s backstory. I’m glad she wasn’t a clone.
I can see the pacing issues. It really felt like they tried to fix a lot of what TLJ did wrong (saying Holdo’s hyperspace maneuver was 1 in a million, Luke admitting he was wrong, etc). I wish JJ had done the entire trilogy.
The only only I think was truly a shot at TLJ was the Holdo thing. Also showing Leia having some force training maybe, since that was also a point of contention.
Agree with Rey being the granddaughter of Palpatine being the right backstory here.
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I will say that I do actually care about these characters now. JJ did a good job making us care. I echo the statement that he should have done all three. His two have the Star Wars feel, 8 only kinda does.
I think TLJ does deserve some credit around making us care about these characters too. TLJ is what made Kylo a sympathetic figure due to Luke failing him, it’s what made Poe’s transition to the general make more sense, and it’s where Finn grew as a character too.
JJ made it work by bringing those characters back together for us to care about them as a group, but individually all their character growth was in TLJ.
I think a lot of the more emotional notes around Rey, Kylo, and Luke’s relationship in this film only work because of how they were built up in TLJ.
I have a gut feeling now that people see how the story ended in TROS, they will look back at TLJ more favourably. IMO the tone and pace of TLJ is slower than TFA and TROS but in some ways it was necessary and is better with the whole trilogy as one now. (From the character development perspective, the plot itself in TLJ is still a little weak).
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I enjoyed it. Sure it wasn't groundbreaking cinema, but it's the 9th and final (maybe) film of the saga, that's not really the time to break new ground.
It was fan service, and as a lifelong fan, I feel well serviced.
A few things that brought a smile to my face...
The festival is only held every 42 years -- Hey, 1977 was 42 years ago too.
Lando had a bad feeling about this.
Han gets one last "I know".
John Williams' (blink and you'll miss it) cameo as a bartender.
Chewie finally gets his medal.
Wedge!
Leia made a sabre! ... Rey made a sabre! A yellow-bladed one at that.
Leia becomes a Force ghost. At first, I was upset that she didn't fade away at her funeral, but I liked how they did it.
Speaking of Leia's funeral, I definitely got a little verklempt then.
All the former Jedi voices (I assume this is what JJ was referring to when he mentioned Ahsoka in one of the interviews -- either that or the backhanded saber style that Rey and Kylo used a couple of times).
The saga ends the way it (didn't quite) began, looking out at the twin sunset.
I wasn't sure what to expect, but I was pleasantly surprised how well the old footage of Carrie was incorporated. You could tell some of the dialog was written to line up with whatever lines they had recorded (and presumably had someone who could mimic her voice well fill in the bits where her back was turned), but it didn't take me out of the moment. I also liked the flashback to young Luke and Leia training. Their faces were flawless (IMO).
All in all, a fitting end to the saga. But, I'm a sucker for that Galaxy Far Far Away, so what do I know?
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Its biggest downfall was simply being rushed. Taking time here and there could give it the potential to be up there with IV and V. Sprinting to the end kind of forces you to absorb the emotion and process things afterwards rather than as you're watching it (which I realize is why it was such a different viewing experience than some of the other films), because there's no moments where they take that proverbial breath for you to sit with something big you just saw. Needed some pauses, even to just admire the different locations and soak up the atmosphere, much of which was brilliant. It was just so go, go, go! Weird to say, but this should've been as long as Endgame was, to give those big moments the justice they deserved, as opposed to what felt like skimming, at times.
So when it comes down to it I wanted more. And that's a really good thing. Which is why I hope there is some sort of extended cut of this.
I enjoyed the answers they gave. I was actually satisfied with putting Palps behind everything. Didn't think it would be convincing, but in context it was and it made the plot of the trilogy feel grander and (incredibly!) more cohesive. Bravo. The characters had awesome chemistry, and the exchanges were fantastic. I went from not giving much of a rat's ass about Finn and Poe in TLJ to enjoying the hell out of that bromance again, as I did in TFA.
It makes TLJ better IMO, as 8 to 9 has a mini Luke arc where he loses his way (even if unconvincingly) to find his way back to being the mentor we hoped he would be. Revisiting Acht-to helped to connect to the last instalment and acknowledge what happened there rather than retcon it, and I liked the cool touch of Rey returning in Luke's x-wing (after Luke frickin lifts it from the water, ESB style!).
Can most of us agree that perhaps one of the most cringy parts was force ghost Luke catching the saber out of the fire? Definitely weird and oddly shot/produced (maybe cause of the daytime lighting?) but luckily a small thing.
"It's not a fleet. It's just... people."
Haha, Dunkirk much? Regardless, it was a fist pump moment, even if a predictable one.
That makeshift galaxy fleet was frickin impressive. Probably missed so many details there.
Emperor was creepy. Again, we get to see his flesh get decimated by lightning deflection. Lovely.. Exogol was cool as hell, that music theme is simply chill-inducing. The crowd of Sith worshippers detail was strange, but I would say contributed to the overall creepiness of it. Don't know if I liked that, but whatever. It was an unexpected layer added to the sinister grandeur of the scene.
The use of C3PO and the droids was better than the first two installments, nice for them to have a purpose rather than just stand there and look cute to sell merch. The use of Chewy was better.
Loved the ending at Tatooine as a sort of memorializing of the Skywalker family. She didn't need to call herself one for it to work nicely, but Disney appears to want to spoon feed us the answers to the origin of everybody's surname. Also Rey then technically made out with her (step)brother I suppose then, ala Luke/Leia? Subtle humour by Abrams to bring back that bit of uh..... nostalgia? Either way, found that amusing.
If they had Anakin and Ben standing there, it would've been perfect. Always room for a Lucas style cut with them edited in.
Anyway, those are my initial scatterbrained thoughts.
The Luke and Leia jedi training flashback is my favourite scene of the trilogy. I absolutely loved that. I probably looked like a child being handed an ice cream cone in my seat there.
They said the next SW film may be in 2022. Might it further the story of these characters, sans the central Skywalker theme? I could see that. I will say I actually want to see more of them together after seeing this, which is not how I felt after the last one.
TROS > TFA >>> TLJ
For this to receive a worse rating than TLJ makes no sense at all. It cleaned things up in a lot of ways I didn't think was possible in 2 plus hours, not sure what critics wanted done differently to give it that fresh rating, at least. Fan service doesn't kill all the fun to be had here.
Will need repeat viewings and time to digest in order to give a well thought out ranking with the rest of the saga.
Thought the movie was really good but I left the theatre feeling both satisfied and confused. It was a great way to end the trilogy IMO and I hadn't even thought about the prospect of Rey being a Palpatine. I agree with the other posters it did feel rushed but the positive thing about that is there wasn't any unnecessary side quests / storylines going on which I thought was one of the worst parts about TLJ.
Two things I didn't like..
- The Knights of Ren were basically useless.
- The kiss was completely unnecessary. Didn't ruin anything for me but had me asking "why"
Below are some points of confusion I had if anyone can help me out
- That badge that Poe was given by the girl in the Daft Punk helmet did he do anything with that and if not what was the point of it?
- Still unsure how Chewbacca wasn't blown to pieces in that explosion.
- When the Emperor caused all systems to go down inside the resistance aircrafts I expected them to lose all power and crash and this never happened. I'm not sure why.
All in all I wouldn't mind seeing it again at all in theatres and that's a huge step up from TLJ for me.
Looking forward to hearing everyone elses opinions!
Thought the movie was really good but I left the theatre feeling both satisfied and confused. It was a great way to end the trilogy IMO and I hadn't even thought about the prospect of Rey being a Palpatine. I agree with the other posters it did feel rushed but the positive thing about that is there wasn't any unnecessary side quests / storylines going on which I thought was one of the worst parts about TLJ.
Two things I didn't like..
- The Knights of Ren were basically useless.
- The kiss was completely unnecessary. Didn't ruin anything for me but had me asking "why"
Below are some points of confusion I had if anyone can help me out
- That badge that Poe was given by the girl in the Daft Punk helmet did he do anything with that and if not what was the point of it?
- Still unsure how Chewbacca wasn't blown to pieces in that explosion.
- When the Emperor caused all systems to go down inside the resistance aircrafts I expected them to lose all power and crash and this never happened. I'm not sure why.
All in all I wouldn't mind seeing it again at all in theatres and that's a huge step up from TLJ for me.
Looking forward to hearing everyone elses opinions!
-Believe they used the badge immediately after Poe received it to land in the first order ship's docking bay.
-Chewy was apparently in a second transport.
-I guess they regained power when he was distracted by Rey just in time before crashing into the surface of the planet.
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Thoroughly enjoyed it and it felt nice to walk out of a Star Wars movie after it ended without wincing in agony.
It did make me like 8 a bit more in some ways, but also even more annoyed that Rian Johnson put a big ass speed bump in the saga for no real reason other than to be a total twit.
Best of the last 6 Skywalker saga movies. Just nudges ahead of revenge of the Sith for me. And I loved RoS.
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Sith lords grand daughter adopted and loved and raised/trained by the same family he corrupted and finally lost out to. Loved that. Then she takes their name thusly forever erasing the Palpatine legacy from the galaxy.
I wish Rey made her yellow sabre earlier and used it for the endor fight.
I thought the kiss was an inevitability. The power of two/love wins out over evil/selfish.
Love that they toned down rose. Loved that they gave Poe Dameron some real meat behind the character. He was just kind of there in TLJ.
All in all, this tucked the 9 movies away with a kind and loving hand. It's not the prettiest way to close out the OG chapter. But its felt loved and didnt leave me dissatisfied in the least.
I was fully expecting a full Jedi force ghost ending with all of them there on tatooine.glad they went with Luke and Leia only. The two that mattered most to Rey. The only two she ever knew.
Loved the Lightsaber battles. Really well done. Probably finished in 4th place among all of the live action ones.
1.Anakin vs. Obiwan
2. Obiwan and Quigon vs. Darth Maul
3. Vader vs. Luke
4. Rey vs. Ben
5. Yoda vs. Dokuu
6. Obiwan vs. Greivous
7. Windy vs. Palpatine
8. Palpatine vs. Yoda
Exogol was cool as hell, that music theme is simply chill-inducing. The crowd of Sith worshippers detail was strange, but I would say contributed to the overall creepiness of it. Don't know if I liked that, but whatever. It was an unexpected layer added to the sinister grandeur of the scene.
