Peters: 'You play sh*tty defence, good luck getting out of your own end'

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by united

A month old but still relevant to the Flames' play so far this season. This line particularly stands out to me:

"When you get the puck you flip it to red line and you hustle to the bench and the other guys are under siege"

The defence, with some blame to the centremen, have been quite poor in this regard this season. How many times have Stone and Hamonic in particular blindly punted the puck off the glass or jammed it around the boards? Really tough to generate anything as a team when you can't exit with possession or speed, or are continuously icing the puck, and the wingers are set up for failure getting the puck at waist-to-head height on the boards/glass time and time again.

The reason those plays happen is because the forwards are scooting up ice too soon. Johnny flies the zone all the time, and it's not even one of his more effective plays. Heck, it should be a winger winning the puck and making the first pass a lot of the time, but usually the D is on its on.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

So a month later the players still haven't got the message? Not a good look for the coaching staff or players really.

I would suggest the problems really started right after this message was delivered oddly enough. Its like they tried, failed, and couldn't (still haven't) recovered.

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah I do think this might be square peg round hole at this point.

I think they are trying to play defense but they are just bad at it. But due to that it's actually hurt them at both ends of the ice.

They are still getting hemmed in their own zone, and don't seem to have the ability to play good positional defense, or break out of the zone cleanly.

But since they aren't cheating or trying to take more risks to create more offense, the offense has dried up too.

Now we are getting the worst of both worlds.

[ForeverFlameFan]

The way I see it, we are playing some decent defense on most games. The problem is we are in the wrong position when a turnover occurs. We would play a perfect hockey game if we never turned over the puck. But, everyone does. And when we turnover the puck, we allow the opposing team to have odd-man rushes. And when those opportunities occur, every game, the Flames are getting burned. This has happened for many years and for some reason we are not correcting it.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I would suggest the problems really started right after this message was delivered oddly enough. Its like they tried, failed, and couldn't (still haven't) recovered.

They play well defensively a game later and won. But for some reason that didn't sink in.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

They play well defensively a game later and won. But for some reason that didn't sink in.

And the opponent was weaker if I recall? Might be off there. But it seems to me that the harder they tried the worse it got and here we are.

If anything, thats what really reminds me of GG hockey. Positional perfection being required.

Maybe the best way to appeal to this core is to just let them loose? At least long enough to snap some scoring droughts.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Toonage

And the opponent was weaker if I recall? Might be off there. But it seems to me that the harder they tried the worse it got and here we are.

If anything, thats what really reminds me of GG hockey. Positional perfection being required.

Maybe the best way to appeal to this core is to just let them loose? At least long enough to snap some scoring droughts.

It was weaker FWIW.

[Kovaz]

I don't know if I'd point to the next game as indicative of better defense: that was that weird 6-5 SO win over Florida, hardly a defensive masterpiece.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

The way I see it, we are playing some decent defense on most games. The problem is we are in the wrong position when a turnover occurs. We would play a perfect hockey game if we never turned over the puck. But, everyone does. And when we turnover the puck, we allow the opposing team to have odd-man rushes. And when those opportunities occur, every game, the Flames are getting burned. This has happened for many years and for some reason we are not correcting it.

Did anyone else just get déjà vu from those Glen Gultzan teams where they had to play perfectly to win?

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Did anyone else just get déjà vu from those Glen Gultzan teams where they had to play perfectly to win?

Yes. Me. Literally 3 posts up.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Yes. Me. Literally 3 posts up.

Please excuse me while I go scream into a pillow and book an appointment with my counsellor for PTSD symptoms.

[Cambardi]

Do the Flames have practice today?

[Toonage]

^ Nope

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by united

A month old but still relevant to the Flames' play so far this season. This line particularly stands out to me:

"When you get the puck you flip it to red line and you hustle to the bench and the other guys are under siege"

The defence, with some blame to the centremen, have been quite poor in this regard this season. How many times have Stone and Hamonic in particular blindly punted the puck off the glass or jammed it around the boards? Really tough to generate anything as a team when you can't exit with possession or speed, or are continuously icing the puck, and the wingers are set up for failure getting the puck at waist-to-head height on the boards/glass time and time again.

That’s another problem with Peters trying Hamonic with Gio.

When you have Gio and Brodie playing well, both guys can skate the puck, and the forecheck can’t pressure both. They can move the puck laterally and go weak side or move as a 5 man unit.

Put Hamonic there, you have a puck off the glass. Or give him room and he will skate it to center and dump it in. Then what? Johnny can go and crash and bang and retrieve it?

[bubbsy]

Hasn't peters already played the swear about the 2 way play to the media card this season?

Friedman already commented on whether the coach may be grinding these guys too hard for too long now.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Just as an aside, has anyone heard Peters say what they are trying to do this year?

We have heard that Monahan is trying to play with more physicality, and you can see that

Has anyone heard him address what worked in the first half of the year last season, what their diagnosis is from the beating they received in the playoffs, and what they are trying to do differently?

Based on what I can see, other than Monahan trying to play more physical, Johnny wants to lead the league in sharp angle misses.

I could understand some short term pain, if they have a strategy that is going to pay off in the end. But they aren’t indicating that is the case.

I just don’t get any value or insight out of the obvious statement along the lines of ‘crappy D, crappy results’

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

That’s another problem with Peters trying Hamonic with Gio.

When you have Gio and Brodie playing well, both guys can skate the puck, and the forecheck can’t pressure both. They can move the puck laterally and go weak side or move as a 5 man unit.

Put Hamonic there, you have a puck off the glass. Or give him room and he will skate it to center and dump it in. Then what? Johnny can go and crash and bang and retrieve it?

Until this year Hamonic's outlet pass was good. Short, but effective.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Hasn't peters already played the swear about the 2 way play to the media card this season?

Friedman already commented on whether the coach may be grinding these guys too hard for too long now.

I did the same double take.

The thread was from October 22nd - so not a new quote.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

This team needs more 2way responsible players if they are to play better D Lindholm, Tkachuk, Gio and backlund are our best defensive players. The rest range from bad to average defensively. If this team can't outscore its problems, it can't win. Faulty roster composition from a very overrated GM. No easy way out. No one wants our scraps in a trade and we cant afford to trade anything good.

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[EVERLAST]

Our D needs to start skating the puck out.
Our forwards trying to bust the zone early isnt helping because they dont f ing backcheck
Dump and chase doesnt work.
Getting the Defence to do this will be painful for 20 games or so but once they become accustomed maybe Bill Peter's can get to work on us having the puck instead of trying to get it back.
Maybe Gluegun was onto something with 5 man units and 3 zones....sounds better than the cluster we are currently watching.
To many passengers on this team and we arent a team . It's a few skilled individuals trying to do it all.

Put up a few more zeros boys and maybe pay attention to Peters.