03-12-2019, 08:37 AM
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#21
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Juolevi was ranked 6th by pretty much every ranking and they picked him 5th. No one thought that was a bad pick at the time.
Virtanen, on the other hand, was pretty dumb.
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That’s not true. Plenty of people—possibly most—thought that was a bad pick.
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03-12-2019, 08:43 AM
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#22
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Franchise Player
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Let's just think how fortunate we are that our two biggest rivals selected duds before we even had a chance to pick.
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03-12-2019, 08:44 AM
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#23
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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Originally Posted by saXon
My favourite moment in Canucks history!
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"... from the London Knights ..." - NOOOOO!!!!!!!!
"... Olli Juolevi!" - YEEEEEEEEESSSS!!!!!!!!!!!
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03-12-2019, 08:49 AM
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#24
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Canucks sign Quinn Hughes to ELC
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Originally Posted by Ashasx
Let's just think how fortunate we are that our two biggest rivals selected duds before we even had a chance to pick.
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2016 was an incredible draft. Even beyond picking Tkachuk, the Flames also drafted Tyler Parsons, Adam Fox, Dillon Dube, and they selected Matthew Phillips.
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03-12-2019, 08:49 AM
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#25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Juolevi was ranked 6th by pretty much every ranking and they picked him 5th. No one thought that was a bad pick at the time.
Virtanen, on the other hand, was pretty dumb.
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No as mentioned, the Tkachuk one was a miss and not in hindsight.
People who listened to canucks radio weren't surprised by the miss because Benning was telegraphing they were taking a D-man no matter what for weeks but Tkachuk was clearly BPA.
I recall the gasps in the audience when he was taken instead of Tkachuk. I'm sure there is a video.
BUt really, no matter if it is fans hind sight or not a GM is paid for his foresight and they have made two massive blunders on high picks. And true enough they've made two very good picks as well (Boeser, Pettersson). We'll see what Hughes can bring. But for a supposed drafting guru it seems inexcusable to miss on those picks and for the franchise to still have zero depth after 5 years.
Last edited by ernie; 03-12-2019 at 08:51 AM.
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03-12-2019, 08:52 AM
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#26
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: The Bay Area
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Juolevi was ranked 6th by pretty much every ranking and they picked him 5th. No one thought that was a bad pick at the time.
Virtanen, on the other hand, was pretty dumb.
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What? As soon as the pick was made most were laughing at Benning.
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03-12-2019, 08:55 AM
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#27
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I think Juolevi may have been consistently ranked 6th, but most people felt there was a large drop off after Tkachuk and PLD.
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03-12-2019, 09:02 AM
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#28
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Ontario
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Is it just me, or is Vancouver just another Canadian team to you these days?
My sister is a Canucks fan, and we were joking the other day that the true hatred for each others teams really only lasted Burrows' tenure there - as they're otherwise just a Canadian team. I want to be ahead of them in the standings, I want them nowhere near the cup, I hate them more than most teams when we're playing them... but I prefer that they're good.
That fanbase was exposed for being pretty terrible though... so they're still my 2nd least favourite Canadian team.
Dear lord they need a better brand identity though
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03-12-2019, 09:05 AM
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#29
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Franchise Player
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The team is fairly innocuous right now, but the fans... oh, the fans. Still plenty to hate there.
But yeah, no Kesler, no Burrows, no Bieksa...
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03-12-2019, 09:05 AM
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#30
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashasx
I think Juolevi may have been consistently ranked 6th, but most people felt there was a large drop off after Tkachuk and PLD.
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I was terrified the Flames may pick him. His career has gone exactly as I suspected as I was not high on him at all as to me he never looked markedly better than Andersson and he certainly wasn't as prolific a scorer in the OHL.
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03-12-2019, 09:06 AM
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#31
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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yeah I don't hate them as much these days, I just don't really care about them. Certainly different from the Burrows/Kesler/Bieksa/etc days.
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03-12-2019, 09:10 AM
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#32
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Franchise Player
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I think I hate Anaheim and LA more ATM but I know the Canucks will jump over them once they they get good
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03-12-2019, 09:11 AM
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#33
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Franchise Player
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I don't think Juolevi was a consensus 6th. The way I remember it was the 3 defensemen - Juolevi, Sergachev and Chychryn - were the subject of a lot of debate. Then, as the draft approached, Chychryn's stock seemed to slip a bit. But my impression was that Sergachev was the more popular candidate.
And that's just within the debate of the defensemen. 5th overall was too early for any of them. I thought 6-8 maybe for Sergachev, and 8-10 for Juolevi and Chychryn.
But thank you, Mr Benning. Thank you.
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03-12-2019, 09:38 AM
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#34
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"The great promise of the Internet was that more information would automatically yield better decisions. The great disappointment is that more information actually yields more possibilities to confirm what you already believed anyway." - Brian Eno
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03-12-2019, 09:44 AM
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#35
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Canucks sign Quinn Hughes to ELC
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
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And yet, this is precisely how people responded. As Enoch pointed out, the gap between Tkachuk and Juolevi was vast, even if they were ranked closely together.
It was a bad pick. It was bad at the time and looks even worse now.
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03-12-2019, 09:50 AM
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Franchise Player
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I'm not sure why you respond to me in these threads, Textcritic, when I've made it clear I have no interest in arguing with you given the way you look at the game. But regardless, if you can point me to a few pieces of analysis where "people responded" the way you're saying - outside of internet message boards - I'd be interested to see it.
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03-12-2019, 09:57 AM
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#37
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Split98
Is it just me, or is Vancouver just another Canadian team to you these days?
My sister is a Canucks fan, and we were joking the other day that the true hatred for each others teams really only lasted Burrows' tenure there - as they're otherwise just a Canadian team. I want to be ahead of them in the standings, I want them nowhere near the cup, I hate them more than most teams when we're playing them... but I prefer that they're good.
That fanbase was exposed for being pretty terrible though... so they're still my 2nd least favourite Canadian team.
Dear lord they need a better brand identity though
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Yeah I do think a big chunk of the Canucks hatred had to do just with that era of the team and less about the franchise as a whole.
I remember not minding them in the Linden/Bure Days.
But they were probably the most hated team in the whole league during the Ruutu, Bieksa, Burrows, Kesler, Lapierre etc days. They just had an ability to find the greasiest most unlikable players during those years.
Now again I'm actually a big fan of Horvat as a player. Don't mind Boeser, and Petterssen. So not nearly as unlikable as they've used to be.
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03-12-2019, 10:38 AM
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#38
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ernie
That's not hindsight. Tkachuk and Nylander (or Ehlers) were the consensus picks. People knew the Virtanen and Juolevi picks were bad as soon as they were made. Heck even if you subscribed to drafting by positional need theory for Juolevi they still made the wrong pick. The Pettersson pick is obviously a good one. Remains to be seen on Hughes, but the misses on Tkachuk and Nylander set the franchise back. To what degree remains to be seen but I see a roster lacking 2 good top 6 wingers that they should already have and no real depth in the organization to make such acquisitions and free agency is a overpriced crap shoot. IT will take some very good management to overcome those screw ups. So if ownership doesn't makes changes in a few weeks, well, congrats Pacific division you won't really need to worry about the canucks for a few more years yet!
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Uh they didn't pick those players, so yeah it's still hindsight. They obviously liked something about the players they picked or disliked something about the players they passed on. Looking back three years later and realizing you made a wrong call is still hindsight.
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03-12-2019, 01:25 PM
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#40
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Franchise Player
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So they have drafted 5 decent defensemen in 35 years. Awesome.
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