[Signing] Canes sign Teuvo Teravainen to 5yr contract extension ($5.4 mil AAV)

[puckedoff]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

I'm really glad it happened of course, but why the hell did Waddell make the Lindholm/Hanifin trade? Trading away 2 solid players on cap friendly long term deals for a soon-to-be UFA and a defenceman who has never found a good fit in 6 years in the NHL. He must be praying to the hockey gods that Fox turns into an all-star, otherwise he'll be remembered as a GM in the same breath as Milbury and Chiarelli

They (Lindholm and Hanifin) weren't on cap-friendly long term deals before they were traded, weren't they both unsigned RFAs?

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Seems he already accomplished that by signing two guys long term on great deals. The trade still makes zero sense from a Canes perspective

Lindholm & Hanifin weren't even asking for major money. Dundon took a stand for no real reason and traded 2 excellent players.

It was an odd power play on his behalf.

As I've said in other threads, and I am firm in this belief - Tom Dundon is nuts.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

I'm really glad it happened of course, but why the hell did Waddell make the Lindholm/Hanifin trade? Trading away 2 solid players on cap friendly long term deals for a soon-to-be UFA and a defenceman who has never found a good fit in 6 years in the NHL. He must be praying to the hockey gods that Fox turns into an all-star, otherwise he'll be remembered as a GM in the same breath as Milbury and Chiarelli

I think the new owner was intent on "making a splash".

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Reports are he is looking for a deal similar to Tom Wilson ($5.166 mil x 6 yrs)

Tough part for Ferland will be to see what happens now with Niederreiter in the lineup.

He looked good with Lindholm and Teravainen last night and Ferland may find himself off the top line now too.

That hurts his potential production and contract ask too.

[Enoch Root]

I suggested a 5 yr deal for Tkachuk, and many people scoffed at it, but we have seen a few of them recently, and I think the trend is going to continue.

While it seems like a great idea to lock a guy up for 8 years, a lot can happen over that time. Five (or 6) years provides some certainty, but also reduces the risk somewhat, and most importantly, keeps the cap hit manageable.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I suggested a 5 yr deal for Tkachuk, and many people scoffed at it, but we have seen a few of them recently, and I think the trend is going to continue.

While it seems like a great idea to lock a guy up for 8 years, a lot can happen over that time. Five (or 6) years provides some certainty, but also reduces the risk somewhat, and most importantly, keeps the cap hit manageable.

I don't think having Tkachuk go UFA at 26 is worth the million or two we'll save on the cap hit. Plus we already know he's a stud so there isn't as much risk to manage. The few we have seen at 5 or so years tend to not be elite players, I certainly wouldn't put TT in that category. Good player sure, but it would be idiotic to sign him to 8 years imo. A player like Tkachuk is a whole different story. He's the type of player you build your team around.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

I don't think having Tkachuk go UFA at 26 is worth the million or two we'll save on the cap hit. Plus we already know he's a stud so there isn't as much risk to manage. The few we have seen at 5 or so years tend to not be elite players, I certainly wouldn't put TT in that category. Good player sure, but it would be idiotic to sign him to 8 years imo. A player like Tkachuk is a whole different story. He's the type of player you build your team around.

Yes, but you can build your team around him for the next 5 or 6 years. And have money for an extra player.

It's a trade off.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

They (Lindholm and Hanifin) weren't on cap-friendly long term deals before they were traded, weren't they both unsigned RFAs?

Oh damn, I was under the impression that Lindholm and Hanifin were already under their current contracts when they came to Calgary, I completely forgot that Treliving re-signed them both. This makes the trade a little more understandable and raises my respect of Treliving even higher. Still though, neither guy was asking for a ton of money obviously, and the Canes still go from two RFA's to one soon-to-be UFA and a rumored problem child. Waddell still looks like Chia-Lite if Fox doesn't pan out

[Flamenspiel]

Originally Posted by rain_e

How much do people expect Ferland to be paid?

2-3 million. Sam Bennett type money and I would rather have Sam.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

I'm really glad it happened of course, but why the hell did Waddell make the Lindholm/Hanifin trade? Trading away 2 solid players on cap friendly long term deals for a soon-to-be UFA and a defenceman who has never found a good fit in 6 years in the NHL. He must be praying to the hockey gods that Fox turns into an all-star, otherwise he'll be remembered as a GM in the same breath as Milbury and Chiarelli

Yet, most of the posters on CP wanted to fire Treliving over this deal.

Hindsight is 20/20.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Yet, most of the posters on CP wanted to fire Treliving over this deal.

Hindsight is 20/20.

Most?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flamenspiel

2-3 million. Sam Bennett type money and I would rather have Sam.

I think he will get more than that.

15 goals 2 years ago, 21 last year, and on pace for 22 this year, despite the injuries.

That has to get him $4M at least.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Yet, most of the posters on CP wanted to fire Treliving over this deal.

Hindsight is 20/20.

Well I mean it when I say I was glad when it happened

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

I like the deal. I found Hamilton to be very overrated here because he could put up some points, but IMO his weak defensive play negates that. Plus as some others have mentioned the guy has no other gear, he was like Bouwmeester 2.0. If Hanifin can learn a more solid defensive game, I think he's an upgrade even if he doesn't get as many points

Lindholm is a clear upgrade on Ferland, so this trade is a win in my books. Treliving still needs to bring in more help up front though before the Flames can think about making the playoffs

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by rain_e

How much do people expect Ferland to be paid?

22 over 5 years.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yes, but you can build your team around him for the next 5 or 6 years. And have money for an extra player.

It's a trade off.

But realistically what is the difference in cap hit? Probably around 1.5m IMO or 1.8% of the current cap. I'd rather have Tkachuk locked up for 2-3 extra years even if it costs us an extra 2% of the cap.

[Samonadreau]

Lots of people loving this deal, but its more money and less term then Lindholm. (shoulder shrug)

[Imported_Aussie]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Lots of people loving this deal, but its more money and less term then Lindholm. (shoulder shrug)

If you compare the two players on their bridge deals

Lindholm
Y1 45P in 72 games (0.63 PPG)
Y2 44P in 81 games (0.54 PPG)

Teravainen
Y1 64P in 82 games (0.78 PPG)
Y2 39P in 48 games (0.81 PPG)

Lindholm didn't do as much over the same contarct period to earn the bigger hit/bargain for the shorter term.
You cannot compare this year's Lindholm for the purpose of the contract
Lindholm is on a killer deal because he stepped up big time. If he was scoring at 0.7 PPG pace it would be good, not great. at 0.5-06 PPG pace, would be average at best.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Imported_Aussie

If you compare the two players on their bridge deals

Lindholm
Y1 45P in 72 games (0.63 PPG)
Y2 44P in 81 games (0.54 PPG)

Teravainen
Y1 64P in 82 games (0.78 PPG)
Y2 39P in 48 games (0.81 PPG)

Lindholm didn't do as much over the same contarct period to earn the bigger hit/bargain for the shorter term.
You cannot compare this year's Lindholm for the purpose of the contract
Lindholm is on a killer deal because he stepped up big time. If he was scoring at 0.7 PPG pace it would be good, not great. at 0.5-06 PPG pace, would be average at best.

I guess, if you look over their careers, Lindholm is probably as productive, also a RS center (on paper).

But ya, he's had a good season and a half - Good for him.

[Imported_Aussie]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

I guess, if you look over their careers, Lindholm is probably as productive, also a RS center (on paper).

But ya, he's had a good season and a half - Good for him.

Over their careers? Years 2 and 3 of their ELC are close to identical, slight edge to Teravainen.
Lindholm was in NHL sooner off his ELC, so year 1 of ELC would go to Lindholm, but that is also further removed from when contract negoatiated.

Both can play centre, but play much more at the wing. But edge Lindholm as he played there more often.

Handedness is more of a situational factor (fit for team, relative need/importance) with forwards. I doubt that plays a large factor in a contract comparable, unless one side can use it to skew the data their way.

Bottom line - both players received value deals, one had showed more in recent years, so had more leverage for the stronger $ per year and one year shorter term. Lindholm has made his deal look like a steal, and if Teravainen finds another level (going to PPG or more) then he will too.

[dino7c]

Hockey isn't just about points

Lindholm is the far superior two way player