Nickelback

[sketchyt]

Originally posted by KipperandIggy@Oct 9 2005, 08:01 AM
Hey I was wondering have any of u got the new Nickelback CD

In response to your actual question, yes, I have the new Nickelback CD and have listened to it. I don't like them, never have and this CD doesn't change that. The reasons are fairly obvious, mostly in how derivative they are and how Chad Kroeger sings like he's gurgling his own phlegm.

That being said KipperandIggy, don't ever let anyone tell you what you should or shouldn't like and then make you feel like an idiot for actually liking something. My condescending opinion should mean absolutely nothing to you.

I'm guessing you're asking the question because you do like Nickelback. In that case, you'll probably enjoy the new album as it's their strongest one to date.

[Inferno]

Originally posted by McCarty 25@Oct 9 2005, 07:02 PM
Lars from Metallica is a total dink, but you don't hear people saying Metallica is a bunch of trash and they hate them, do you?

You do but it's pretty much only by Napster bitches or people who couldnt accept that they didnt want to play the same type of music their whole career.

And people think Lars is a total dink because of the Napster case but if you ever met him like I did you would find out he's a pretty nice guy. I actually found him to be the nicest out of the four which kind of surprised me because of all of the "Lars is a dink" talk. He just went overboard a bit with the Napster case and said some things that even made the other band members shake their head and made people think Metallica was only doing it for money when in fact it was for control over how their music is distributed. If you've ever watched the "Some Kind of Monster" DVD with the band commentary you can tell just how much he wishes he could do it over again when it gets to the part about Napster.

[steveo]

Originally posted by Faid1@Oct 9 2005, 07:02 PM
Chad Kroeger pretty much produced and wrote most of Default and Theory of a Deadman's songs. While catchy, bands like Nickelback and their ilk saturated the "soft rock" market into what it is today.

I wouldn't doubt it, TOAD sounds exactly the same as Nickleback..

its like Theory of a Nickleback should be the name of the band.. weak sorry :P

[Looger]

whenever a band's popularity / exposure exceeds their talent people start to hate them.

personally the biggest factor for me is radio play. the 90% nickelcreed content on the radio and the nonstop filler tracks have turned nickelback, for me, from:

'hey these guys are ok, i wouldn't mind seeing them in a bar'

all the way to:

'change the station - it's the same damn song i've heard 90 times'

[the crispy badger]

Nickleback is shinguard rock..try some of these

1.Ben Folds-Beatleish piano rock with awesomely catchy songs
2.Ryan Adams-try "new york new york"..thats all I have to say about him
3.Tom Waits-cabret singer and carnival barker in one package..so underrated
4.Lyle Lovett-the man who married Julia Roberts..and an gifted singer as well
5.Nick Cave-DARK beautiful spirtual music for the non religious..a must listen

of course theres Dylan..he could take Metallica and Nickleback and shinguard
better songs they could ever dream of writing..

[VANFLAMESFAN]

I hate the "Mainstream is shinguard" mentality from a ton of people. Yesm I admit, a good portion of mainstream stuff is garbage, but thats doesnt mean that everything is. There are plenty of quality of mainstream acts that seem to get the shaft when it comes to people liking them. And to startin hating on a band because they are popular and you dont wanna seem like everybody else is the worst reason ever to not like music. If you have a problem with the writing or the sound, FINE, but dont hate on a band because they are livin their dream.

[peter12]

Originally posted by the crispy badger@Oct 10 2005, 10:08 AM
Nickleback is shinguard rock..try some of these

1.Ben Folds-Beatleish piano rock with awesomely catchy songs
2.Ryan Adams-try "new york new york"..thats all I have to say about him
3.Tom Waits-cabret singer and carnival barker in one package..so underrated
4.Lyle Lovett-the man who married Julia Roberts..and an gifted singer as well
5.Nick Cave-DARK beautiful spirtual music for the non religious..a must listen

of course theres Dylan..he could take Metallica and Nickleback and shinguard
better songs they could ever dream of writing..

Tom Waits and Nick Cave are among my favourite artists. Simply amazing.

I would disagree with Cave being non-religous... Abattoir Blues seemed awash with religous connotations.

[Hakan]

Hi I just wanted to shill the new propagandhi album again. It's fudging amazing. To those Nickelback fans, try this album out when it's released Oct. 18.

http://www.americasarmy.ca

download the mp3 and read the lyrics

end of shill

[4X4]

No, there are a few bands that have gone mainstream and completely avoid the type of hating and critisizm we are talking about. Off the top of my head, Red Hot Chili Peppers comes to mind. I wonder if it's a coincidence that they are possibly my favorite "today" band.
Their sound is always original. You can't even accuse their latest CD to sound like the previous one let alone sounding like another band. And that can be said for all their CDs (more or less).

[Inferno]

Originally posted by the crispy badger@Oct 10 2005, 11:08 AM
of course theres Dylan..he could take Metallica and Nickleback and shinguard better songs they could ever dream of writing..

It depends what you like. I'd fall asleep from boredom if I had to listen to an album of his.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally posted by VANFLAMESFAN@Oct 10 2005, 09:57 AM
I hate the "Mainstream is shinguard" mentality from a ton of people. Yesm I admit, a good portion of mainstream stuff is garbage, but thats doesnt mean that everything is.

I agree with this. I don't hate something because it's mainstream, just happen to hare most of what is mainstream.
Certain bands that I love like Pearl Jam, The Hip and U2 never get any respect in the college radio/indie scene by music snobs who hate in them strictly because they are big. I would never hate a band, strictly because they're successful. That's just lame.

[Clarkey]

Back when Nickleback was an "indie" band Rolling Stone gave their album a raving revue. Then a year or two later they released the single 'how you remind me', to overwhelming popularity, Rolling Stone shinguard on that album.

Most indie music is contrived pretentious crap. I'm not a fan of much corporate or mainstream music but I find it extremely annoying how certain music snobs say Nickleback sucks meanwhile they are listening to complete garbage indie crap just because it's 'indie cool' and not 'mainstream cool'.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by the crispy badger@Oct 10 2005, 10:08 AM



of course theres Dylan..he could take Metallica and Nickleback and shinguard
better songs they could ever dream of writing..

This is pretty much true about 99% of all songwriters. Metallica though has some good songs and probably the best metal album of them all.

They should lay off the Dr.Phil these days. Yikes.

As for Nickleback, well, they stink but it's hardly because I'm jealous of them being rich or famous. If that were the case, wouldn't I then hate everyone who is rich and famous? They sure have a lot of staunch defenders though. Good for them I guess but there are plenty of bands that I like that other people hate and I just simply don't care. Nickelback sure seems to bring out the defensive side of people.

I have it on good authority that they sold a lot of guitars in a few small towns in Alberta so that's pretty cool.

[kermitology]

Originally posted by Deelow@Oct 9 2005, 11:41 AM
I'm not a Nickelback fan but I do not understand why people think its so cool to hate them. What has Nickelback done to deserve SO much hate? Is it because they're rich?

It's a simple lack of originality. When I listen to music I like it to be creative and good.. Something that Kroeger and company lack.

[Table 5]

I just hate anyone with a goatee. yes, including you.

[the crispy badger]

Originally posted by peter12@Oct 10 2005, 10:00 AM
Tom Waits and Nick Cave are among my favourite artists. Simply amazing.

I would disagree with Cave being non-religous... Abattoir Blues seemed awash with religous connotations.

When I think of Nick Cave...I think of the earlier albums aka..the better albums..the songs were much less mainstream and awesomely written..and had points of view that others would be afraid to touch especially "Murder Ballads"and Nick seems to be finding more personal lyrics..but this is not the Cave I enjoy

[Inferno]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos@Oct 10 2005, 05:23 PM
They should lay off the Dr.Phil these days. Yikes.

The therapy they were in ended before they started their last tour so they have "layed off the Dr. Phil".

Who cares if it was the "un-metal" thing to do. They had a serious communication problem which led to Newsted leaving so they felt they needed a professional to help them break that communication barrier which is what they got from Phil Towle. Now Hetfield is open to what the other band members have to say about song ideas and lyrics(something Newsted always wanted to be a part of) and him and Lars are now able to respect each other's opinions instead of butting heads like they used to.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by Inferno@Oct 10 2005, 05:24 PM
The therapy they were in ended before they started their last tour so they have "layed off the Dr. Phil".

Who cares if it was the "un-metal" thing to do. They had a serious communication problem which led to Newsted leaving so they felt they needed a professional to help them break that communication barrier which is what they got from Phil Towle. Now Hetfield is open to what the other band members have to say about song ideas and lyrics(something Newsted always wanted to be a part of) and him and Lars are now able to respect each other's opinions instead of butting heads like they used to.

Maybe they should start butting heads again. It might make the music better. Saint Anger? Can you get any more contrived than that?

Anyhow, I'm not interested in getting into a debate over new Metallica vs. old Metallica. I used to like their music and I still like the old records. I don't like the new stuff. If you do, go nuts.

[Inferno]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos@Oct 10 2005, 06:36 PM
Maybe they should start butting heads again. It might make the music better. Saint Anger? Can you get any more contrived than that?

Anyhow, I'm not interested in getting into a debate over new Metallica vs. old Metallica. I used to like their music and I still like the old records. I don't like the new stuff. If you do, go nuts.

They dont have to butt heads to make old school Metallica they just need to want to make that type of music again and St. Anger was a step in that direction. It may be raw(which is how they wanted it to sound) but its got the aggression that old school Metallica had. They've said that the next album wont have that raw sound and it'll be their first album with Rob Trujillo who reminds them alot of Cliff Burton so we'll have to see how that comes out.

[peter12]

Originally posted by the crispy badger@Oct 10 2005, 05:06 PM
When I think of Nick Cave...I think of the earlier albums aka..the better albums..the songs were much less mainstream and awesomely written..and had points of view that others would be afraid to touch especially "Murder Ballads"and Nick seems to be finding more personal lyrics..but this is not the Cave I enjoy

Your opinion...

I love No More Shall We Part, pure genius. Murder Ballads is amazing but it makes my skin crawl everytime I hear Song of Joy, let alone the whole album.

Nocturama was average for Cave. It would have been excellent for anyone else.

Abattoir Blues/Lyre of Orpheus is my favourite of all of his albums even going back to the Birthday Party. Amazing music and lyrics.