Another Person Pushed onto C-Train Tracks

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

He's a lost cause. I feel bad for people like him.

Seriously? Because I have an opinion different than yours on our stupid justice system it makes me the lost cause?

If people like me ran the system this grandmother of 8 wouldn't need a gofundme page.

[chemgear]

Crazy it was in broad daylight just at the start of rush hour. Messed up that it could easily be a coworker or family/friends.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4651702/r...mpression=true

Police said the train was able to stop in time, but the attack was random and the injuries are life-changing. Meichl was at an assisted living facility prior to the incident and will now need more care.

Meichl’s family confirmed she suffered a severed spine and will not walk again, adding that she’ll remain in hospital for at least four months and will require full-time help after that.

“This person was released,” she added. “She’s got an extensive history. Why was she allowed to be out to harm an innocent, elderly, disabled bystander?”

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...tack-1.4900895

Hein said the thing he's struggling most with is that the woman accused of attacking his mother was also accused of a seemingly random attack just three years ago — but the charge was withdrawn.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Seriously? Because I have an opinion different than yours on our stupid justice system it makes me the lost cause?

If people like me ran the system this grandmother of 8 wouldn't need a gofundme page.

You literally said your mind couldn’t be changed. So it’s a lost cause to attempt to do so. MBates wise words were wasted on you.

In all honestly, I hope you’re able to get some closure for whatever you’re dealing with. But putting people behind bars for something they couldn’t control isn’t the answer.

[MBates]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

what the hell is wrong with the judge giving her bail on the previous attempt murder

According to media reports, the previous charge was withdrawn more than 2 years ago in August of 2016. So it would appear facts disrupt the narrative of a bad judge improperly granting bail as the cause of this current alleged crime.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Seriously? Because I have an opinion different than yours on our stupid justice system it makes me the lost cause?

If people like me ran the system this grandmother of 8 wouldn't need a gofundme page.

You don't even know what you're mad about. NCR is not a factor in any of the cases in these two threads. What you should be upset about is the way we treat aboriginal offenders and in particular female aboriginal offenders differently at sentencing. It's often a case of giving shorter sentences instead of alternative sentences which we are mandated to do. That's how you get Natalie Pasqua gouging eyes out while she should have still been in jail. From her trial...

Nowlin pointed to Pasqua's extremely troubled childhood in his arguments.The woman was taken from her parents at a young age and placed in a residential school where she was physically and sexually abused, he said. She has struggled with alcohol and drug abuse.

I would not be surprised if Stephanie Favel received alternative sentencing at some point. And I wouldn't be surprised if she gets it this time as well. And the guy who shot the German tourist will also receive that consideration if he's convicted.



Just out of curiosity, do you think Jeffrey Dahmer or Ted Bundy would be found NCR here? Like what sort of behavior do you think an NCR verdict requires from the accused?

[MBates]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

I'm not so sure it was bail or a get out of jail free gladue sentence. It would be most interesting to find out.

Somewhat redundant to my last post but worth noting that you did not speculate another possibility - that the charge was withdrawn.

I do not know the facts of the previous case beyond what is in initial media reports but noting that there were two females at the location where the original allegation arose - maybe the Crown withdrew the charge out of concern they were prosecuting the wrong person?

It would indeed be most interesting to find out if she was not only presumed innocent in law but was actually innocent in fact.

[OMG!WTF!]

I know those charges were withdrawn but she has multiple convictions here and in other provinces. So that's why I said at some point in time she may have received inappropriate sentencing.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

You literally said your mind couldn’t be changed. So it’s a lost cause to attempt to do so. MBates wise words were wasted on you.

In all honestly, I hope you’re able to get some closure for whatever you’re dealing with. But putting people behind bars for something they couldn’t control isn’t the answer.

In all honestly I hope you wake up and realize people have different opinions, I personally have no issues with stress over a past family disaster, I just wake up every single day knowing we as Canadians have a brutal justice system, we live in a land where someone who sold weed did more time than someone who kills 5 people.

And, Mr.Bates is likely a smart man but lets face it he's still just a f'cn lawyer, why on earth should a lawyer have anything to do with the way I see this brutal justice system? the lawyers created it, fought for it and continue to protect it all in the name of $$$. I hope someday you don't have to see this on a personal level.

[Zarley]

Another great example of our revolving door justice system allowing some lowlife the opportunity to harm an innocent person.

[metallicat]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

In all honestly I hope you wake up and realize people have different opinions, I personally have no issues with stress over a past family disaster, I just wake up every single day knowing we as Canadians have a brutal justice system, we live in a land where someone who sold weed did more time than someone who kills 5 people.

And, Mr.Bates is likely a smart man but lets face it he's still just a f'cn lawyer, why on earth should a lawyer have anything to do with the way I see this brutal justice system? the lawyers created it, fought for it and continue to protect it all in the name of $$$. I hope someday you don't have to see this on a personal level.

Yikes, you're a little hostile. What do you do for a living?

[jayswin]

That was a pretty horrendous comment and accusation to make towards another human being for simply standing up for his career and profession.

[jammies]

Everything we have, we would lack without the rule of law. You might as well want to snuff out the sun due to it causing a family member to die of skin cancer.

[8sPOT]

What a sad story. Feel bad for the innocent grandmother who’s now paralyzed.

Will be interesting to see what comes of this. To me that’s worth 20 years behind bars but I don’t know Jack #### about the justice system. Still, really feel for that lady.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by jayswin

That was a pretty horrendous comment and accusation to make towards another human being for simply standing up for his career and profession.

Reminds me of my friend's parents who came from the old world. Always snide remarks about lawyers and politicians.

[Snuffleupagus]

Sorry, nothing personal to MBates but after a divorce and a family crisis I'm not a big fan of lawyers

[The Familia]

Poor lady...thoughts go out to her and her family. As for the accused, hopefully she gets pushed into a freight train. Losers be losers. Typical Canadian justice system though, always protecting the wrong person. What a crock of crap.

[MBates]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

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And, Mr.Bates is likely a smart man but lets face it he's still just a f'cn lawyer, why on earth should a lawyer have anything to do with the way I see this brutal justice system? the lawyers created it, fought for it and continue to protect it all in the name of $$$. I hope someday you don't have to see this on a personal level.

For whatever it is worth I will respond to your assertion that I am "still just a f'cn lawyer" and your suggestion that I do what I do "all in the name of $$$" because it is clear you know nothing about me.

I have no interest in listing for you all of the things I do for free which are for the betterment of the justice system (and which take me away from my own family and swimming in my pool of gold coins a la Scrooge McDuck) but since you took the baseless shot at my reputation, I will quote to you from a letter I received from the Alberta Minister of Justice a few months back in response to my recent correspondence to her about public confidence in policing and the administration of justice:

Your commitment to this issue over the past ten years has contributed to positive community sustainability in Alberta.

So, you can assume our Minister of Justice is a liar - after all she is also a lawyer - or you can accept that I and others like me make significant personal sacrifices to constructively improve the Canadian criminal justice system almost every single day.

You make inaccurate personal slights against the system and the people working in it on a discussion forum. Good for you.

But let me ask you this. Have you ever done anything to actually try to improve what you think makes our system 'brutal'? Or are you content to just stick with trash-talk that is not even based on facts?

Upholding the rule of law in a constitutional democracy is tough stuff. Maybe don't knock it until you've tried it? You definitely do not need to be a lawyer to donate hundreds of hours of work to improve the system. It just so happens I am one who does.

Back to the topic of this thread - what has happened to this woman is tragic. There is no question about that. But how would the situation be improved if as a society we abandon the rule of law in responding to the tragedy? What outcome would make you no longer take such a poor view of the justice system?

[SebC]

I would assume that nobody here is against the rule of law. They may, however, be for the rule of a different law.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by SebC

I would assume that nobody here is against the rule of law. They may, however, be for the rule of a different law.

Indeed. You can believe in due process and want a fair trial with the presumption of innocence, and still be upset that someone who had those things and was found guilty of a pretty heinous crime was out a few years later to commit another one.

I don't believe in long sentences for punishment or deterrence, I belive in them to protect innocent citizens from people who have demonstrated the capability to do horrible things.

[craigwd]

Originally Posted by 8sPOT

What a sad story. Feel bad for the innocent grandmother who’s now paralyzed.

Sorry if it's an insensitive question but how did she become paralyzed?
I understand she already had mobility issues but to me it's not that far of a fall so I can understand getting seriously hurt or breaking something, but not losing the ability to feel one's legs.

Again, not disputing the story, just curious how it would happen.