[Game Takes] Flames 3 Leafs 1

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

So, this one surprises me because Toronto did not even get their first shot on goal in the third period until the powerplay at the 15:00 mark. They must have had all their scoring chances in the final five mins of the game—four of which were played with an extra man.

Those are five on five though.

But probably right after their goal when the teams returned to five on five. Leafs had them hemmed in, scored the non goal, etc

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Those are five on five though.

But probably right after their goal when the teams returned to five on five. Leafs had them hemmed in, scored the non goal, etc

But the non-goal occurred with the goalie pulled, so not 5v5.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

But the non-goal occurred with the goalie pulled, so not 5v5.

Good point!

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Thanks, Bingo.

You mentioned that the Flames and Leafs split HDSCs? Does that mean they each had 11? How many of TML's were ES?

Also, I was thinking about the powerplay as I was watching last night. While the Flames had a couple good looks and did score a goal there were also plenty of ugly, frustrating plays with the man advantage. There were occasions last night where the powerplay looked very much like it did last year. With the wholesale turnover in coaches and a deliberate emphasis on the powerplay I think this shows that last year's problems probably had more to do with what players were doing, and less to do with what coaches were coaching. The hope is that this group of coaches can break the bad habits or nervous energy(?) of players, who still don't look fast enough or mobile enough on the powerplay.

I have been noticing that about the PP as well. It almost feels like they enter the zone with control and execute the setup relatively well. Then they start standing around again like last season. Then after about 15 seconds, it's like they all collectively remember at the same time, "oh ****, this isn't how we are suppose to play anymore" and they start moving their feet. By that time, a pass gets flubbed and they need to restart.

Hopefully it is just a matter of time before the new PP system becomes second nature and they forget all about the Brouwerplay and standing around.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

So, this one surprises me because Toronto did not even get their first shot on goal in the third period until the powerplay at the 15:00 mark. They must have had all their scoring chances in the final five mins of the game—four of which were played with an extra man.

Leafs had a few chances after 2-0, not counting the PP. And the Flames were playing protection hockey.

Frankly, I'm more surprised at the stats from the second period.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

But Hamonic couldn't carry Brodie last year, so that complicates the formula somewhat.

I do think it says Hanifin can't carry another defenseman though. Put him with someone that plays a quiet game and he thrives.

Certainly a small sample size with Hanifin and Hamonic together. Three games? And this last one was definitely good, but also seemed like they were playing a disinterested opponent. No doubt Hanifin is still a little raw and it's asking a lot for him to "carry" his partner, especially getting second pairing minutes.

One thing though with Hanifin. The guy is making almost $5 million. Valimaki and Andersson are on entry level deals and you can expect growing pains, gaffes and sheltered minutes to some extent. This team needs Hanifin to be good and at some point, it can't totally be dependent on his partner IMO.

Wondering if we might start to see Andersson with some PP time?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

But the non-goal occurred with the goalie pulled, so not 5v5.

Originally Posted by Bingo

Good point!

Doesn't that count as even strength in stats counting though?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Doesn't that count as even strength in stats counting though?

That would make sense—there are still six players on the ice both with or without the goalie. But then I think this invalidates what we mean by "five on five," or "even strength," no?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bingo

They split the high dangers 8-8 five on five

3-1 Flames in first
3-5 in second
2-2 in third

11-9 Toronto in all situations

That's not the game I watched.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Certainly a small sample size with Hanifin and Hamonic together. Three games? And this last one was definitely good, but also seemed like they were playing a disinterested opponent. No doubt Hanifin is still a little raw and it's asking a lot for him to "carry" his partner, especially getting second pairing minutes.

One thing though with Hanifin. The guy is making almost $5 million. Valimaki and Andersson are on entry level deals and you can expect growing pains, gaffes and sheltered minutes to some extent. This team needs Hanifin to be good and at some point, it can't totally be dependent on his partner IMO.

Wondering if we might start to see Andersson with some PP time?

I think Andersson should be on the powerplay as a fixture ... at very least second unit with two dmen to shake up the look for the first unit.

His one timers in Montreal were the only thing powerful about the powerplay

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

That would make sense—there are still six players on the ice both with or without the goalie. But then I think this invalidates what we mean by "five on five," or "even strength," no?

I guess. I just don't know what the stats-counters say.