Union 26 (bar in the NE) was completely trashed by a couple people

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by 4X4

So in other words, it's the struggling losers that are calling in on the people that are passing them? Quelle surprise.

Being on their cell phones while driving might explain why they're driving so slow.

[savemedrzaius]

I know a cop in the Toronto area and he was involved in a big sting. Really putting his butt on the line keeping folks safe.

He rode around on a public bus with a walkie-talkie and sat next to a window. He had other cops following the bus in cars, but at a safe distance thankfully. When the bus was stopped at a red light or what have you, he would pay attention to the cars around him. If someone who was stopped at the red light looked at their cell phone he would call it in and the cops in the rear would pull the car over and issue a ticket.

Ingenious plan and not at all a waste of time or money!

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

I know a cop in the Toronto area and he was involved in a big sting. Really putting his butt on the line keeping folks safe.

He rode around on a public bus with a walkie-talkie and sat next to a window. He had other cops following the bus in cars, but at a safe distance thankfully. When the bus was stopped at a red light or what have you, he would pay attention to the cars around him. If someone who was stopped at the red light looked at their cell phone he would call it in and the cops in the rear would pull the car over and issue a ticket.

Ingenious plan and not at all a waste of time or money!

Yep as literally no one at all has ever been hurt by looking at their cell phone while their vehicle was completely stationary at a red light.

Catch those scumbags and make the world not in the least bit safer

[SebC]

Kind of ridiculous to have a publication ban when it interferes with the possible solving of the crime.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

I know a cop in the Toronto area and he was involved in a big sting. Really putting his butt on the line keeping folks safe.

He rode around on a public bus with a walkie-talkie and sat next to a window. He had other cops following the bus in cars, but at a safe distance thankfully. When the bus was stopped at a red light or what have you, he would pay attention to the cars around him. If someone who was stopped at the red light looked at their cell phone he would call it in and the cops in the rear would pull the car over and issue a ticket.

Ingenious plan and not at all a waste of time or money!

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Yep as literally no one at all has ever been hurt by looking at their cell phone while their vehicle was completely stationary at a red light.

Catch those scumbags and make the world not in the least bit safer

These are very short-sighted points of view. People who use their cell phones at red lights and don't notice the light turning green are annoying and deserve a ticket. Policing isn't always about "keeping people safe". It's also about enforcing the laws (which usually keeps people safe anyways).

Who's to say that they didn't keep people safe? Giving that ticket may have deterred people from using their phones in other situations while driving, which may have prevented an accident or two. There's no way to prove that, obviously, but it's certainly a plausible scenario.

[gasman]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

I know a cop in the Toronto area and he was involved in a big sting. Really putting his butt on the line keeping folks safe.

He rode around on a public bus with a walkie-talkie and sat next to a window. He had other cops following the bus in cars, but at a safe distance thankfully. When the bus was stopped at a red light or what have you, he would pay attention to the cars around him. If someone who was stopped at the red light looked at their cell phone he would call it in and the cops in the rear would pull the car over and issue a ticket.

Ingenious plan and not at all a waste of time or money!

If their "sting" generated a whole bunch of tickets (which it undoubtedly did based on the number of people i see on their phone) then you really hit the nail on the head, it was not at all a waste of time and money, it likely generated a ton of revenue.

[GGG]

Generating ticket revenue should not drive any behaviour from police officers. If taxes need to be raised to supplement the budget then all people should pay for them.

The Police handing out tickets should be solely driven by improving traffic safety. Each year they should look at accident statistics then target around those areas, then analyse the data the following year to see if they meaningfully reduced accidents. If the enforcement method did not work then go back to the drawing board. This should be the sole function of enforcement. It shouldn't be to ensure people aren't speeding and obeying traffic laws it should focus solely on accident reduction.

As for traffic lights and the use of cell phones I am in favour of ticketing at these locations because of the cell phone culture we have. Looking at your cell phone while driving has the same or worse level of impairment as drinking at driving. (citation needed). So having a zero tolerance culture for looking at your phone while operating a vehicle makes sense to change the culture of cell phone use in cars. Right now it is as acceptable as drinking and driving was in the 70s.

I suspect if they did research (and they should do the research) that 100% of people that use cell phones while their vehicles are in motion also use their cell phones at traffic lights. So while the opposite isn't true the use of cell phones at traffic lights is certainly a pre-curser behaviour and an indicator that this person is more likely to also use it at speed. So eliminating this behaviour will result in fewer collisions at speed.

But the overall goal of any ticketing program needs to be measurable improvements in Safety and not revenue.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by GGG

Generating ticket revenue should not drive any behaviour from police officers. If taxes need to be raised to supplement the budget then all people should pay for them.

The Police handing out tickets should be solely driven by improving traffic safety. Each year they should look at accident statistics then target around those areas, then analyse the data the following year to see if they meaningfully reduced accidents. If the enforcement method did not work then go back to the drawing board. This should be the sole function of enforcement. It shouldn't be to ensure people aren't speeding and obeying traffic laws it should focus solely on accident reduction.

As for traffic lights and the use of cell phones I am in favour of ticketing at these locations because of the cell phone culture we have. Looking at your cell phone while driving has the same or worse level of impairment as drinking at driving. (citation needed). So having a zero tolerance culture for looking at your phone while operating a vehicle makes sense to change the culture of cell phone use in cars. Right now it is as acceptable as drinking and driving was in the 70s.

I suspect if they did research (and they should do the research) that 100% of people that use cell phones while their vehicles are in motion also use their cell phones at traffic lights. So while the opposite isn't true the use of cell phones at traffic lights is certainly a pre-curser behaviour and an indicator that this person is more likely to also use it at speed. So eliminating this behaviour will result in fewer collisions at speed.

But the overall goal of any ticketing program needs to be measurable improvements in Safety and not revenue.

We all know it's not about safety though. If it was really about that, they would have a marked car sitting out in the open for everyone to see and have radar going from there. Instead they hide behind things so that they can catch people unaware.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Slava

We all know it's not about safety though. If it was really about that, they would have a marked car sitting out in the open for everyone to see and have radar going from there. Instead they hide behind things so that they can catch people unaware.

I really hate this argument. I can't speak for everyone, but I know if it wasn't for the chance of that unmarked car or hidden radar here and there, I would certainly be speeding a lot more than I do. Just being honest. And I'm sure others would take it to a more extreme that would be even less safe to have them on the road.

The idea that a very visible police vehicle would reduce speeding, and therefore increase safety, is true - at that one stretch of road for a defined time that the police are there. Cool, I guess I would just speed literally everywhere else.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by jayswin

So unless you want to see a significant bump in your taxes then you need to accept that catching speeders is actually producing revenue for cops to fight other crimes, not taking away from it.

And it should go without saying, but far more Calgarians are injured and killed in traffic collisions than by violent crime. And since 28% of fatal accidents are caused by speeding, 23% by drunk driving, and 29% by driver distractions, enforcement of traffic regulations also makes us safer.

Originally Posted by 4X4

So in other words, it's the struggling losers that are calling in on the people that are passing them? Quelle surprise.

Gotta love CP - so people who drive too slow are more of a problem than people who speed through playground zones, ignore crosswalks, do 80 in 60 zones, and text while driving. I'll take strugglers over impatient rage-lords behind the wheel. One might make me arrive a minute or two late at my destination. The other might put me or my family in intensive care.

Originally Posted by Slava

We all know it's not about safety though. If it was really about that, they would have a marked car sitting out in the open for everyone to see and have radar going from there. Instead they hide behind things so that they can catch people unaware.

The point of photo radar is to change the behaviour of drivers at all times, not just when they see a police car.

This is why the anti-radar folks are so irrational. If getting a radar ticket in the mail isn't a deterrent, why does it make them so mad? If you get radar tickets with any kind of frequency, then you routinely and habitually speed by 15+k/hr. Blame your lack of self-control for those tickets, not the methods police use to crack down on speeding.

[undercoverbrother]

Did the CPS trash Union 26?

[GordonBlue]

if they do catch the kids who trashed the bar, likely nothing will happen to them if they are minors.

I see the bar is saying that they'll go after the kids or their parents for restitution.
good luck seeing any money out of that.

it sucks for them but any efforts will be futile.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

if they do catch the kids who trashed the bar, likely nothing will happen to them if they are minors.

I see the bar is saying that they'll go after the kids or their parents for restitution.
good luck seeing any money out of that.

it sucks for them but any efforts will be futile.

Wouldn't the insurer of the bar go after the kids/parents?

[Slava]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

And it should go without saying, but far more Calgarians are injured and killed in traffic collisions than by violent crime. And since 28% of fatal accidents are caused by speeding, 23% by drunk driving, and 29% by driver distractions, enforcement of traffic regulations also makes us safer.



Gotta love CP - so people who drive too slow are more of a problem than people who speed through playground zones, ignore crosswalks, do 80 in 60 zones, and text while driving. I'll take strugglers over impatient rage-lords behind the wheel. One might make me arrive a minute or two late at my destination. The other might put me or my family in intensive care.



The point of photo radar is to change the behaviour of drivers at all times, not just when they see a police car.

This is why the anti-radar folks are so irrational. If getting a radar ticket in the mail isn't a deterrent, why does it make them so mad? If you get radar tickets with any kind of frequency, then you routinely and habitually speed by 15+k/hr. Blame your lack of self-control for those tickets, not the methods police use to crack down on speeding.

I'm not a harsh "anti-radar" guy, and I don't speed much (I do the customary ~ 10% over that basically everyone does). But realistically, it's revenue generation plain and simple. That's the main reason you go through the construction zone at 9:30pm on 14th street and the photo radar vehicle is sitting there taking pictures.

I do wonder how much of a deterrent this is to speeding though, and how much behaviour are we changing? Like if I get caught today and two weeks later a ticket shows up in the mail, isn't that a bit like "wait until your father gets home" kind of parenting?

[GirlySports]

i heard that they plan to open again in a few days, that's amazing.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Especially for a union to work so hard and clean up so fast.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Gotta love CP - so people who drive too slow are more of a problem than people who speed through playground zones, ignore crosswalks, do 80 in 60 zones, and text while driving. I'll take strugglers over impatient rage-lords behind the wheel.

Oh, it's pretty clear that you're comfortable with the strug life.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Especially for a union to work so hard and clean up so fast.

Anything less than a swift response on their part after an attack like this occurred during the labour day long weekend would be letting the terrorists win.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Especially for a union to work so hard and clean up so fast.

According to their FB page, they brought in an outside contractor specialized in cleaning, since cleaning wasn't in their beer selling contract...

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

if they do catch the kids who trashed the bar, likely nothing will happen to them if they are minors.

I see the bar is saying that they'll go after the kids or their parents for restitution.
good luck seeing any money out of that.

it sucks for them but any efforts will be futile.

Not necessarily, when kids vandalized vehicles in my neighbourhood and got caught their parent's insurance was responsible for restitution.