I think we should encourage steroid use and body modification. I mean sports and entertainment have merged, and everyone likes a freak show.
Just think of it. Defensemen with 300 mile an hour slap shots, skaters with a 80 mile an hour speed. Defensemen with a 12 foot wing span. It could even fix the concussion issue, steel lined skulls. I would love to see hockey players with laser eyes, and built in back mounted anti personal missiles.
I mean if Athlete's want to chase the money, the money will go to those that are willing to sacrifice their future health for dollars.
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If it's true that his hair tested clean, then his story becomes more plausible. Likely environmental contamination.
Without knowing what the substance is, it doesn't tell us anything. Heck, it doesn't even tell us anything unless we know what kind of hair he has, which I don't. I keep my hair so short it's at best 2 months old.
PEDs can be taken to fasten your recovery from injuries. Which means he could have taken something at any point during the season, and for a short period. Or it could be something that's banned because it's used to cover traces of another substance. Yes, that's a thing too.
Again, without knowing the substance, none of the stuff he's released means anything. And the fact he hasn't released the substance is IMO super suspicious.
We don't even know if it's a substance you could realistically get accidentally.
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20 game suspension with no pay for a first offense showing virtually indeterminable levels of a banned substance in your system.
2-4 game suspension for first offense trying to directly take a guy's head off, multiple camera angles and replays as evidence.
While I don't disagree that suspensions for hits on the head are ridiculously small, it doesn't really have anything to do with PED suspensions.
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Without knowing what the substance is, it doesn't tell us anything. Heck, it doesn't even tell us anything unless we know what kind of hair he has, which I don't. I keep my hair so short it's at best 2 months old.
PEDs can be taken to fasten your recovery from injuries. Which means he could have taken something at any point during the season, and for a short period. Or it could be something that's banned because it's used to cover traces of another substance. Yes, that's a thing too.
Again, without knowing the substance, none of the stuff he's released means anything. And the fact he hasn't released the substance is IMO super suspicious.
We don't even know if it's a substance you could realistically get accidentally.
For sure. If the independent and team-mandated testing determined what he claims, then it's worth the benefit of the doubt.
Like you say, we probably need much more information than will ever be released in order to know for sure.
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While I don't disagree that suspensions for hits on the head are ridiculously small, it doesn't really have anything to do with PED suspensions.
Yes and no. It's more an interesting comparison, although I was trying to make a certain point.
Cheating seems to be far worse than intentionally trying to harm someone else. Even if the former could be accidental, while the latter can be rather intentional.
Although I will give acknowledgement to the league as they seem to gradually be evolving to one that is willing to punish those predatory hits.
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The concentration means jack without knowing the substance. That same concentration if it were Fentanyl (an admittedly potent drug) would be plenty enough to do a minor procedure. And with a half life of ~45 mins, the drug has essentially disappeared within a day (2.3% of the starting concentration).
The strength metrics are perhaps more convincing, but there are many ways that PEDs work and several mechanisms are not through strength.
Ultimately, I know that mistakes in testing happen...but his response does not sway me at all from my level of suspicion, than from just the initial information that he tested positive.
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There is a big difference between a bad decision on a hit during a fast-paced game and a bad decision while off the ice. The longer suspension for PED's is warranted to me.
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You have to be against PEDs as a league, so that's a given. They need to be better or more consistent with league discipline for sure, but it's always been a tough line in a league built on physical play.
I think they've improved the discipline process.
What are PEDs exactly?
Creatine can be classified as a PED and all the players use it, as are MANY other drugs/supplements.
Nobody knows how they decide what is banned and what isn't.
7 billionth of a mg/mL is a very weird way to specify an amount. It was probably reported that way to intentionally mislead. Normally concentrations are reported parts per million/billion or mg/ug per litre. So to put it in more standard units, the amount was 7 parts per billion (ppb or ug/L).
FYI - I did the math for a pinch of salt in an Olympic Swimming Pool. A pinch of salt is 0.36 g or 360 mg and an Olympic sized swimming pool holds 2,500,000 L of water according to google. That works out 0.144 ppb. 7 ppb is almost 50 times as much. No rational person would compare the two concentrations. This is just a case of an agent trying to shade for their client.
I wish we knew what the substance was and whether there is a legitimate environmental pathway. I doubt it because otherwise we would see way more players testing positive and the league would have to change its threshold. At least the player hasn't thrown out the injury excuse yet.
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7 billionth of a mg/mL is a very weird way to specify an amount. It was probably reported that way to intentionally mislead. Normally concentrations are reported parts per million/billion or mg/ug per litre. So to put it in more standard units, the amount was 7 parts per billion (ppb or ug/L).
FYI - I did the math for a pinch of salt in an Olympic Swimming Pool. A pinch of salt is 0.36 g or 360 mg and an Olympic sized swimming pool holds 2,500,000 L of water according to google. That works out 0.144 ppb. 7 ppb is almost 50 times as much. No rational person would compare the two concentrations. This is just a case of an agent trying to shade for their client.
I wish we knew what the substance was and whether there is a legitimate environmental pathway. I doubt it because otherwise we would see way more players testing positive and the league would have to change its threshold. At least the player hasn't thrown out the injury excuse yet.
Yeah it's hard to know without knowing the substance. Environmental contamination only comes into play if it's certain drugs and not others.
Some of the new "cool" drugs like roxadustat would be 23 nM at that concentration... sufficient to be effective. And no way you're picking up drugs like that from the environment.
The 27 year old who went inexplicably from healthy scratch to number one defenseman on Stanley Cup finalist in a single off-season was caught taking a PED?
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7 billionth of a mg/mL is a very weird way to specify an amount. It was probably reported that way to intentionally mislead. Normally concentrations are reported parts per million/billion or mg/ug per litre. So to put it in more standard units, the amount was 7 parts per billion (ppb or ug/L).
Actually, seven billionths of a mg/mL would equal 7 parts per trillion (ng/L).
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Actually, seven billionths of a mg/mL would equal 7 parts per trillion (ng/L).
You are correct. The way he expressed the units really threw me off. A 1 mg/mL is actually 1 part per thousand as a g=mL. So 7 billionths of a thousandths would be 7 parts per trillion (ng/L).
Still, dioxins/furans are toxic in the ng/L range. So I would not consider it inconsequential. In fact, there are consequences. 20 games worth.
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