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jaikorven · 08-20-2018, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Laine is too high too, IMO. Ovechkin-esque shot, but still learning the rest of the game.

Yes, totally agree with this.

Oling_Roachinen · 08-20-2018, 04:07 PM

Only one player in the NHL scored more goals than Laine though...Ovechkin. I don't think it matters if you're a one-trick-pony, if you can score 44 goals, you're a top-tier winger.

Charsiu · 08-20-2018, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by N-E-B

I think he’s better than Blake Wheeler but other than that it’s tough to argue. I think MAYBE Jamie Benn and Panarin he’s better than too but even then that would be a tough argument. He’s about where he should be.

I think Benn brings an awful lot to the game, he's the best of the few remaining power forwards and while it's tough to say whether he'll have longevity in today's NHL given his style of play, I'd say his place in the ranking is warranted. Love me some Jamie Benn.

savardandjokinen · 08-20-2018, 04:36 PM

Gaudreau's incoming Art Ross trophy will move him up, I'm not worried

Charsiu · 08-20-2018, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by savardandjokinen

Gaudreau's incoming Art Ross trophy will move him up, I'm not worried

Maybe Rantanen or Pastrnak continue their ascents as well.

The Yen Man · 08-20-2018, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Cobra

If I was starting a team today, I think I'd take Hall over anyone else on that list when you factor in age and ignore contract status.

I'd take Laine over Hall.

Strange Brew · 08-20-2018, 05:02 PM

Roughly 250 wingers in the NHL, so this has Gaudreau in top 5%. Does this qualify as elite for most people? I think it does for me.

theslymonkey · 08-20-2018, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I'd take Laine over Hall.

Last year doesn't agree...

カナダ人です · 08-20-2018, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

Panarin is not a better winger than Gaudreau. I'd take Gaudreau over Wheeler too but the rest are undoubtedly top guys.

I think it is a toss-up, although Panarin has a higher PPG. So I can see why they put him above Gaudreau

Flamenspiel · 08-20-2018, 05:22 PM

That does not really tell the whole story though, some players provide entertainment value beyond their real time performance. On that JG is top 5, he is much more entertaining then many on the list, yes all players occasionally have highlights but JG has many more then most. Frankly in these days of minimum physicality, there are very few on the list that actually provide more entertainment value then Johnny.

Iginla was a player like that, he would entertain beyond his impact the game. Dion Phaneuf was briefly a entertaining player. PK Subban is another guy that has value beyond his numbers.

Textcritic · 08-20-2018, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by theslymonkey

Last year doesn't agree...

Hall's season last year was one for then ages, and likely the high-water mark of his entire career. I suspect Laine has not yet played his best season.

Textcritic · 08-20-2018, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamenspiel

That does not really tell the whole story though, some players provide entertainment value beyond their real time performance. On that JG is top 5, he is much more entertaining then many on the list, yes all players occasionally have highlights but JG has many more then most. Frankly in these days of minimum physicality, there are very few on the list that actually provide more entertainment value then Johnny.

Iginla was a player like that, he would entertain beyond his impact the game. Dion Phaneuf was briefly a entertaining player. PK Subban is another guy that has value beyond his numbers.

What does this even mean?

djsFlames · 08-20-2018, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by カナダ人です

I think it is a toss-up, although Panarin has a higher PPG. So I can see why they put him above Gaudreau

To be fair Johnny didn't have an art ross winner in his prime as his linemate in years 1 and 2 to help point totals. A developing Monahan isn't half bad but it doesn't give you quite that leg up in scoring. Gaudreau had to be the catalyst for the team and was.

The Yen Man · 08-20-2018, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

Hall's season last year was one for then ages, and likely the high-water mark of his entire career. I suspect Laine has not yet played his best season.

Plus, the comment was about starting a team taking age into consideration. I'd take a 20 year old Laine over a soon to be 27 year old Hall. One still has potential for an even higher ceiling while the other is already at peak and may likely not come close to what he showed last season.

FlamesAddiction · 08-20-2018, 11:58 PM

I've always like Hall. I am really glad he got out of Edmonton.

Laine is the real deal too and is only going to get better.

I have no problem with this list at all.

Gallick · 08-21-2018, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Wheeler I'm not sold on. Yes he is a great player, but he's also 31 years old coming off a 91 point season. If he was more around his career norm is he that high up on the list? Then again, he's been aging like fine wine. However he's also a UFA after this season and will likely cash in BIG at age 32 into a contract that might be an albatross to whatever team signs him in the future.

Wheeler has been an absolute monster for the Jets since he got the C. He doesn't have the top-level individual skill that Gaudreau has, but his motor is better than arguably anyone on the Flames roster and he's excellent in both ends. I don't think 9 on this list and higher than Johnny is unreasonable for him given how slim of a margin we're talking about here.

Snuffleupagus · 08-21-2018, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by theslymonkey

Last year doesn't agree...

Would you trade Laine for Hall?

Didn't think so!

Snuffleupagus · 08-21-2018, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Gallick

Wheeler has been an absolute monster for the Jets since he got the C. He doesn't have the top-level individual skill that Gaudreau has, but his motor is better than arguably anyone on the Flames roster and he's excellent in both ends. I don't think 9 on this list and higher than Johnny is unreasonable for him given how slim of a margin we're talking about here.

I would bet my left nut Wheeler hit his career peak last year and would bet my right one if they both play the same amount of games Gaudreau will beat him points wise.

Geeoff · 08-21-2018, 07:37 AM

I think Laine is the worst player overall on that list, but obviously they are considering potential in this assessment. It's particularly ridiculous to put Laine above Blake Wheeler, since they played on the same team and Wheeler had more points and is a more complete player.

Charsiu · 08-21-2018, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Geeoff

I think Laine is the worst player overall on that list, but obviously they are considering potential in this assessment. It's particularly ridiculous to put Laine above Blake Wheeler, since they played on the same team and Wheeler had more points and is a more complete player.

Wheeler had 21 fewer goals than Laine. Laine has had a shooting percentage of 17 and 18 percent in his two seasons. He has better possession metrics. Laine being as high as he is, in particularly higher than Wheeler is more than justified even if you believe that part of their reasoning was based on his potential.