Flames Management Confidence - Trading

[Flamescuprun2018]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Elite. One of the best traders of assets in the league. I cannot fault a single one of Treliving's trades, and often he has received more than market value for players.

I would agree. Trading and contract/cap management are his strengths.

Tre looks under every stone for best deal before he makes one. Always working the phones with other GMs.

How many trades has he made where other GMs were not even aware the player traded to the Flames was available? Some GMs quoted to that effect.

Both Hamilton trades were good examples that caught other GMs off guard. His trade deadline sells were similar.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Gave it a 3 but close to a 2.

Hamilton trade in felt like a win in spite of reasons previous team gave him away on the cheap. Then he's traded away for the same reasons 2 years later... Due diligence anyone?

Only obvious decent track record treliving has under his belt is re-signing rfas. Trading, ufa, drafting is all highly meh in my opinion.

Talks a solid game though.. So have other previous GMs.

So if you take into account both trades involving Hamilton, the Flames gave up Ferland, a mid-round first, a mid-round second and a player picked in the third round for two recent top five picks. I'd do that trade any day.

[killer_carlson]

I voted a 2.

I think he is incapable or unwilling to make in season moves to address shortfalls in the roster.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I voted a 2.

I think he is incapable or unwilling to make in season moves to address shortfalls in the roster.

Making in season moves is becoming more and more difficult across the board
You gotta get it done in the off season

[ricardodw]

Traded Barzal or Connor and a couple of seconds for Hamilton.

Hopeful they got back to even getting Hanifin and Lindholm back.

Traded Noah Dobson and a couple of 2nds for Hamonic.

Traded a 2nd (#35 in 2016 (Jordan Kryou) and 3rd for Elliott


Flames 2018-19 roster players acquired by trade:

Lindhom, Hanifin, Hamonic, Lazar, Prout.


Stone is listed as a trade but he was a rental that they had to sign as a UFA.

Gave them a 2 but could easily be a 3.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Making in season moves is becoming more and more difficult across the board
You gotta get it done in the off season

They didn't make a trade at last years trade deadline when they were a bubble team and their NHL level goalie was injured and playing way too much.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Making in season moves is becoming more and more difficult across the board
You gotta get it done in the off season

Or you manage your cap space to leave you more wiggle room to make in season moves.

It's always been difficult. Not impossible though.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Or you manage your cap space to leave you more wiggle room to make in season moves.

It's always been difficult. Not impossible though.

Lack of cap space is only one factor in the lack of large in season moves

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Traded Barzal or Connor and a couple of seconds for Hamilton.

Hopeful they got back to even getting Hanifin and Lindholm back.

Traded Noah Dobson and a couple of 2nds for Hamonic.

Traded a 2nd (#35 in 2016 (Jordan Kryou) and 3rd for Elliott


Flames 2018-19 roster players acquired by trade:

Lindhom, Hanifin, Hamonic, Lazar, Prout.


Stone is listed as a trade but he was a rental that they had to sign as a UFA.

Gave them a 2 but could easily be a 3.

The third in the Elliott deal was conditional and the conditions were not met.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Lack of cap space is only one factor in the lack of large in season moves

They don't have to be large moves necessarily.

Last season saw some really poor performances from our bottom 6 and our bottom 3 or 4 in particular. Moving bodies in and out of that shouldn't have been difficult.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Anyone giving Treliving a 1 or 2 for his trading abilities clearly just has an axe to grind. Hard to take that kind of opinion seriously.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Anyone giving Treliving a 1 or 2 for his trading abilities clearly just has an axe to grind. Hard to take that kind of opinion seriously.

I disagree

It's about accountability.

Treliving's moves tend to be against a deadline like trade deadline, draft or before free agency. He is weak on mid season adjustments.

Further not all of us are fans of the Hamilton to Carolina deal

[MJK]

I love the moves, I have a lot of confidence and really like the recent acquisitions.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

They don't have to be large moves necessarily.

Last season saw some really poor performances from our bottom 6 and our bottom 3 or 4 in particular. Moving bodies in and out of that shouldn't have been difficult.

Who was going to trade for the Stajan and Brouwers?
I think saying it should not have been difficult is being unrealistic

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I disagree

It's about accountability.

Treliving's moves tend to be against a deadline like trade deadline, draft or before free agency. He is weak on mid season adjustments.

Further not all of us are fans of the Hamilton to Carolina deal

You need a partner to make a deal. Most teams are willing to trade at those times as well, which is why the deals happen then. Trades that don't happen at those times are often the result of panicky GMs who don't get good value for their assets. Treliving doesn't make a deal unless it makes sense from an asset management standpoint. This I believe to be true because you hear about all these deals that didn't happen and how many irons he had in the fire. He's a tireless worker on these fronts and I love that about him.

[Bingo]

I gave Treliving a 4, and really if I had to pick six GMs to be 5s I'd have a tough time not giving him a 5.

To me GMs won't get them all right. You want a guy in charge that can manage being right as well as he can manage being wrong, and Treliving has that.

I also like decision makers that don't waffle and miss out for fear of being wrong. He has stones and he goes for what he thinks confident that his work ethic has him understanding both the market and what other options are available.

I put him on Cliff Fletcher level in Calgary history. Huge strength.

[cral12]

4

Hamonic deal brings it down from a 5, but understand the rationale.

Loved the Hanifin-Lindholm deal.

I Trust in Tre in this area.

[GioforPM]

I'd like to know exactly what gems Treliving was going to get for Stajan, Brouwer or Anyone else in the bottom six. People are also ignoring his accumulation of picks with Hudler, Glencross, Russell, etc.

[Vinny01]

The Dougie Hamilton trade was a steal for Calgary. It came at a time when the team overachieved and seemed to be further ahead in their rebuild. Adding a 22 year old already top 4 D was a great move and message to send to the Fanbase.

The Hamonic trade did make sense at the time. He got a player that wanted to come to western Canada and basically was an Engellend upgrade/replacement. He was supposed ro form an elite pair with Brodie which would give the Flsmes 2 top pairs. I thought the price was a lot steeper on Hamonic than it should have been and the deal doesn’t look the best in hindsight.

His goalie trades have been adequate. Elliott was a decent gamble but also had a lot of risk. It was pretty obvious Bishop was the target that day and Elliott was plan B. Glad
The Flames moved on after the one year. The Smith deal worked out quite well basically costing the team a 3rd round pick.

The blockbuster this summer was a great deal in my opinion. Hanifin and Lindholm are core long term pieces. This trade has been debated for the next few years

[browna]

As far as in season trades, the way the season went, when was that timing? In hindsight, maybe just before Christmas after dominating games but the coaching staff not getting that extra out of players to finish the job.

With the edict to GG and stick throw, January was a roller coaster up and down. Next window may have been Feb, but by that point it was clear to BT that GG lost the room and was probably gone, and it was a longer shot for Flames to make the playoffs (and with the situation in Carolina changing, BT knew that Peters was likely coming on board). Then Smith got hurt and he well could’ve given up something for a backup at trade deadline but didn’t.

And the Hamilton deal was fantastic. If BT gave up any assets to get some decent help in net or bottom 4 last year, chance is it may well have been Fox as any sort of sweetener, and then this trade doesn’t go through.