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Old 07-25-2018, 07:48 AM   #21
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I know everyone was joking about it at the time, but I wonder if that last game added much to his contract? If he finished with 13 goals and 21 points, would it have ended up closer to $1.3M?
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Old 07-25-2018, 07:55 AM   #22
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Cane model had him closer to $1.3M for the biggest gap we've seen for Calgary contracts this summer, so I guess I was expecting a bit less but to be honest that one seemed low in his numbers.

Two year deal is key.
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I may be reading CapFriendly wrong, but there's 5.58m in cap space right now. I suppose it matters which of the backups is on the team. With Gillies at 0.75, I assume Rittich will get something similar, likely slightly more.

Because all of these RFA deals so far have settled more or less as expected, I assume they fully anticipated this cap crunch. And I assume they have their 'get out of jail' planned - however I'm getting a little nervous what that plan actually entails.
As long Gilles matches Rittich and Hathaway Mathew Quin you have 5.5 to sign Hanafin and Kulak becaus Cap geek has us at 14 forward 7D and 2 goalies.

So if you say Hathaway gets 1M compared to Quinn's 700k you have 5.2 - 800k for Kulak is 4.4.

But you can also free up another 900k if you risk Hathaway or Lazar to waivers and only run 13 Fwds. That would give you 5.3 to try to go longer with Hannafin. I don't think that is enough though and you need 6 so Hannafin gets a 2yr 3.75 deal maybe 4 with the bump from Montour
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Old 07-25-2018, 08:02 AM   #24
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pretty fair contract. Could be a bargain in year 2 if Janko progresses as well as hoped.

Flames now have around 7m left for Hanifin, Hathaway, Rittich and Kulak. After accounting for those with arbitration rights, I guess there'll be around 4.5m available for Hanifin ... so it's either going to be a bridge deal or they'll have to make room via trade or buyout if they want to go long-term.
My math is about the same. This might be the trigger for a Troy buyout - or maybe Stone. They save a little less with Stone. Stone's chances of a new contract elsewhere are better than Brouwer's if that makes a difference to management. Stone is the bigger insurance policy though.

Another thought - the numbers are tight enough that the $200K difference between Lazar/Foo on the one hand and Mangiapane/Klimchuk/Dube on the other could be a consideration for the fourth line/extra guy spot.
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Old 07-25-2018, 08:16 AM   #25
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My math is about the same. This might be the trigger for a Troy buyout - or maybe Stone. They save a little less with Stone. Stone's chances of a new contract elsewhere are better than Brouwer's if that makes a difference to management. Stone is the bigger insurance policy though.

Another thought - the numbers are tight enough that the $200K difference between Lazar/Foo on the one hand and Mangiapane/Klimchuk/Dube on the other could be a consideration for the fourth line/extra guy spot.
Stone would be a trade IMO.

Sadly I think Frolik has to be on the table as well with the difference in $$$ replacement with the guys you've mentioned... Mangiapane/Klimchuk/Dube or Lazar/Foo.
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Old 07-25-2018, 08:19 AM   #26
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Stone would be a trade IMO.

Sadly I think Frolik has to be on the table as well with the difference in $$$ replacement with the guys you've mentioned... Mangiapane/Klimchuk/Dube or Lazar/Foo.
Only as a trade. You can't bury him like the others, at least not to the same extent. However, they need Frolik to stabilize all those kids on the bottom six.
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Only as a trade. You can't bury him like the others, at least not to the same extent. However, they need Frolik to stabilize all those kids on the bottom six.
Totally agree, trade. I don't think the drop off from Frolik to any of the five is going to be massive. But it will exist, especially if the pre 2017-2018 Frolik resurfaces. I hate this idea really. But it has to be on the table.

Stone is also a similar situation IMO. I wonder how much of a negative impact we would experience by trading him and going with a young guy potentially out of position.

Brouwer is of course the eternal piss off and been ground out on CP plenty, no need for me to say boo.

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Old 07-25-2018, 08:33 AM   #28
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Totally agree, trade. I don't think the drop off from Frolik to any of the five is going to be massive. But it will exist, especially if the pre 2017-2018 Frolik resurfaces. I hate this idea really. But it has to be on the table.

Stone is also a similar situation IMO. I wonder how much of a negative impact we would experience by trading him and going with a young guy potentially out of position.

Brower is of course the eternal piss off and been ground out on CP plenty, no need for me to say boo.
Offensively, no. Defensively, it will. Maybe one of the kids can learn fast.
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Old 07-25-2018, 08:36 AM   #29
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If we get rid of Frolik and keep Brouwer, I'm going to be annoyed.
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Old 07-25-2018, 08:44 AM   #30
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...Stone is also a similar situation IMO. I wonder how much of a negative impact we would experience by trading him and going with a young guy potentially out of position...
My biggest concern with trading Stone is not his replacement in the top six. Rather, I think his loss would be most acutely felt as insurance for injuries. Stone is really valuable as a guy who can play up the lineup when needed.

...and for god’s sake people, it’s “BROUWER.”
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Fair contract, not an over payment I like the 2 years it's an opportunity for Janko to prove to management that he is worth more in 2 years. I have faith he will continue to develop into a nice depth center.
Nice resigning avoiding arbitration.
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Nice deal.

Damn is sureLoss ever quick. I received a notification my phone about the signing and came here right away to see the reaction. Of course a thread was already started 15 minutes ago.
I think I've finally figured out how NHL transactions work:

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The other possibility is that SureLoss has tapped the main NHL fax/internet line. If so, my bet is on a man-in-the-middle attack.
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Old 07-25-2018, 08:55 AM   #33
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I like the contract. But definitely really shows how much of an anchor the Brouwer contract has become. Now that we are nickel and diming our 3rd/4th liners (not that im opposed to it).

I think if the flames believe Hanafin is really going to take a step forward then I would rather buy Brouwer out and give hanafin the extra $2.2M per year that would be cleared up. If you still don't think Hanafin can make that jump then you give him the bridge deal 2 years at ~3.75 or 4 and hold onto Brouwer until either next summer, when the league somehow makes the cap jump by $10M so the leafs can keep all their stars, or you find a way to Hossa him onto the LTIR.
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Old 07-25-2018, 09:00 AM   #34
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I'm a little shocked he took less than Sam Bennett.
When Bennett signed he had 159 NHL games 15 playoff games (that he played well in) 31 goals and 62 pts. AND was 2 years younger than Jankowski.

Even last season the younger Bennett had pretty much the same quality of season as Jankowski... The expectations for Bennett were just way higher.

Even right now there is a better chance that 22 year old Bennett has a higher up side than Jankowski. He would be a bigger trade chip at this time. Although the Flames should not consider trading either of these guys.
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What the hell is a '22 year old Bennett'?
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Love this deal
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If the Flames are able to get cap space by dumping Brouwer they still should give Hanifin a 2.3 x 2 Bridge deal (Cane's numbers) ... still an RFA at the end of it and take the extra cap space to extend Tkachuk now. Tkachuk is far less of a risk than Hanifin and extending him now will be easier/cheaper than after a 35 goal season.

Next year is a tight cap year but the year after there is a lot of space. It would be really bad if the Flames do not have cap space next season for a Tkachuk long term deal.
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What the hell is a '22 year old Bennett'?
Is this a trick question? Bennett just turned 22 years old on June 20.
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What the hell is a '22 year old Bennett'?
It's an 18 year-old Sam Bennett but 4 years older.
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If the Flames are able to get cap space by dumping Brouwer they still should give Hanifin a 2.3 x 2 Bridge deal (Cane's numbers) ... still an RFA at the end of it and take the extra cap space to extend Tkachuk now. Tkachuk is far less of a risk than Hanifin and extending him now will be easier/cheaper than after a 35 goal season...
Tkachuk is not signing a new contract this summer. His agent is banking on him having a really big year that will push his value into a long-term deal that likely starts with the number "seven." I have no doubt that the Flames would love to sign him today, but Tkachuk is smart enough to wait and maximize his own value.
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