The Draft Analyst (Sporting News) Give Flames Draft Grade A-

[Lubicon]

In regards to the draft grades, what exactly is average anymore? I always thought a 'C' was more or less average but in this report only 7 teams received a C or below. 25 of 32 teams cannot be above average (??) yet here we are.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Lubicon

In regards to the draft grades, what exactly is average anymore? I always thought a 'C' was more or less average but in this report only 7 teams received a C or below. 25 of 32 teams cannot be above average (??) yet here we are.

This is a reflection of the state of education in North America today. Students in my classes approach meltdown-levels of personal crises if they are not getting at least a B+.

[DJones]

This guy had Milos ranked ahead of Hughes and Wahlstrom.

Imagine if that turned out accurate haha.

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

This is a reflection of the state of education in North America today. Students in my classes approach meltdown-levels of personal crises if they are not getting at least a B+.

The Alberta Education Minister once said he wanted to see all students achieve above the Alberta average.

[Two Fivenagame]

Originally Posted by madmike

Who would you move for a 3rd, 4th or 5th? Stone is the only one I could think of and that doesn't seem like a worthwhile return. Janko and Bennett are worth more than that. No one will touch Brouwer with that contract. And the 4th liners are pretty much all FAs.


The rest of the Flames depth is young players like Mangiapane, Anderson, Valimaki, Kylington, etc. - who again are all worth more than a 3rd.

Kinda my point. Bottom half of the roster is kinda meh and the rest were rfa's that weren't retained.The few prospects left are worth more than picks so it's kinda all or nothing.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Two Fivenagame

Still seems odd to me that the Flames didn't move players to add more picks.

I guess it shows our depth is really that poor when you can't move some pieces for extra 3rds, 4ths and 5ths?

Why would we need more mid-late round picks?

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

This is a reflection of the state of education in North America today. Students in my classes approach meltdown-levels of personal crises if they are not getting at least a B+.

That is only understandable if it's a master's student where B- is the minimum passing grade! If I get under an A-, I'm sweating!

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by DJones

This guy had Milos ranked ahead of Hughes and Wahlstrom.

Imagine if that turned out accurate haha.

Wahlstrom and Hughes were ranked 9 and 10 and Milos ranked 43. Not sure where you’re getting Milos being ranked ahead.

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by David Struch

Calgary Flames Draft History

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/t...r00005090.html

Man, got to admit, we really suck at drafting quality players...


Even in the 2003 Draft, arguably one of the most amazing drafts in recent NHL history in terms of talent all the way down to 7th round, we sucked. For 18 years since 2000, Flames were able to draft, retain and develop only five elite-caliber players (Phaneuf, Brodie, Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk). Five! This is a horrible record. Our scouting and decision-making system needs some serious freakin' overhaul.

[Frequitude]

Doesn’t change your point much, but I think Backlund deserves a spot on that list...

[Beninho]

E always =NG, when will they learn!!

[Bear]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Wahlstrom and Hughes were ranked 9 and 10 and Milos ranked 43. Not sure where you’re getting Milos being ranked ahead.

I think he was looking at the preseason rankings (July 2017):

https://www.thedraftanalyst.com/2018...nd-watch-list/

[DJones]

Originally Posted by Bear

I think he was looking at the preseason rankings (July 2017):

https://www.thedraftanalyst.com/2018...nd-watch-list/

Ya that was it. Must have clicked the wrong link.

[Two Fivenagame]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Why would we need more mid-late round picks?

Only to increase the quantity of picks in a draft. More chances at gaining future assets for free (hopefully). Its a minor issue, really.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Two Fivenagame

Still seems odd to me that the Flames didn't move players to add more picks.

I guess it shows our depth is really that poor when you can't move some pieces for extra 3rds, 4ths and 5ths?

You don't move players to simply get some extra late round picks.

You move players you don't want/need, and maybe get some drafts picks back.

The Flames didn't move players because they didn't want to move players. It's not like every other team was moving players for draft picks left and right.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

Man, got to admit, we really suck at drafting quality players...


Even in the 2003 Draft, arguably one of the most amazing drafts in recent NHL history in terms of talent all the way down to 7th round, we sucked. For 18 years since 2000, Flames were able to draft, retain and develop only five elite-caliber players (Phaneuf, Brodie, Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk). Five! This is a horrible record. Our scouting and decision-making system needs some serious freakin' overhaul.

I don't think that's actually much different than a lot of teams. The current champs drafted and developed Ovie, Backstrom, Holtby, Kuznetzov, and Carlson in the same period. The Pens have Sid, Malkin, Letang, Fleury. The Kings have Kopitar, Quick, Doughty, in that period (and a few years prior).

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don't think that's actually much different than a lot of teams. The current champs drafted and developed Ovie, Backstrom, Holtby, Kuznetzov, and Carlson in the same period. The Pens have Sid, Malkin, Letang, Fleury. The Kings have Kopitar, Quick, Doughty, in that period (and a few years prior).

It doesn't seem this way, certainly. As I am going on holidays, I will actually research this and follow up.

[JohnnyTitan]

Originally Posted by Icon

lol @ 2006

Thanks to Irving's assist, the 2006 class is actually outscoring our 2015 class! LOL!

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/t...r00005090.html

[JohnnyTitan]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

2014 was Treliving's first draft in charge and grit & size were clearly emphasized that year - it didn't work.

I've heard from a couple sources that the 2014 draft (and signings) were still a reflection of Burke, not Treliving. He wasn't quite "In Charge" yet in practice.

[JohnnyTitan]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

If you can get 2-3 guys that look like "real NHL prospects" each draft then that is actually pretty good.

To add to that, I think you have to consider the other "Free" acquisitions as well. The Flames in the past 12 months also added Foo and Gadwin to the organization. Those are on-par with 2nd and 3rd round picks if you ask me...maybe not the lottery ticket potential...but they are a couple years further along and might be able to help you ASAP! And they could be with us -> under team control -> for a long time.

Oh ya -> and our missing 1st rounder this year wasn't for nothing. We did get Hammer on a team-friendly contract.

So although it really hurt on June 22nd, 2018 - we still had a great late-round draft, brought in Gadwin and Foo and have a guy anchoring our 2nd pairing for the foreseeable future.