Stabbing at Chinook Centre

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by GGG

What were taking about though is the perception that the world is less safe. Reporting of Non-Calgary violent crime influences the perception of the likelyhood of Calgary violent crime.

You brought up the world thing. The rest of us were talking specifically about Calgary.

Originally Posted by GGG

I would say that the risk of random knife attacks in Calgary has not changed recently despite having one or two recent events. I don't the pattern of recent attacks could be distinguished from random noise in the data.

We don't know though, do we? There have been five random knife attacks (eight if we account the three people stabbed in different places at Chinook last night as three attacks) in public places in Calgary in the last three years that I can recall off the top of my head. I'd be curious to see if that's an unusual number for this city. But we don't know unless we can see some stats. I don't think it's implausible that particular types of violent crime could be increasing at the same time that violent crime overall is going down.

[speede5]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

(eight if we account the three people stabbed in different places at Chinook last night as three attacks)

This is exactly how you can distort, sensationalize, or otherwise influence a persons perception on crime.

Is this three attacks or one? Depending on your point of view either answer is right. Maybe two of them were random and one was intentional to throw off suspicion. Or maybe it was a gang initiation. Or maybe it was mental illness and she was seeing monsters.

It's like the stats on school shootings in the states. Is it a school shooting if a drug deal went bad in the parking lot after hours? Depends on what your agenda is I guess.

I still feel safe in Canada but the trend of random violent acts does bother me. The knock out game, gang initiations, those are scary things because there is no way to see them coming. That wasn't happening 20-30 years ago that I remember.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

You brought up the world thing. The rest of us were talking specifically about Calgary.



We don't know though, do we? There have been five random knife attacks (eight if we account the three people stabbed in different places at Chinook last night as three attacks) in public places in Calgary in the last three years that I can recall off the top of my head. I'd be curious to see if that's an unusual number for this city. But we don't know unless we can see some stats. I don't think it's implausible that particular types of violent crime could be increasing at the same time that violent crime overall is going down.

I don't think you are understanding what I am saying about the rest of the world. It isn't that the rest of the world is more or less dangerous. Its that the reporting of the rest of the world influences peoples perception about their Safety in Calgary.

My argument is that because people see school shootings discussed every day in the rest of the world they feel that a school shooting is more likely in Calgary then it would be in the absence of the external media. So people are more pre-disposed to feel anxiety and associate this as a growing problem in Calgary because they are bombarded with it. So when a person is stabbed in Calgary because they have heard about stabbings elsewhere and terrorism elsewhere and whatever other random violent crime elsewhere the assumption is that the world is getting more dangerous and that Calgary is part of the downward spiral.

We have no statistical evidence that random stabbings are getting worse. And we have statistical evidence that violent crime is down and We know that our perceptions are unreliable to evaluate the risk of random stabbing.

Therefore based on what we know any increase in fear is not justified by available evidence.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by speede5

This is exactly how you can distort, sensationalize, or otherwise influence a persons perception on crime.

Is this three attacks or one? Depending on your point of view either answer is right. Maybe two of them were random and one was intentional to throw off suspicion. Or maybe it was a gang initiation. Or maybe it was mental illness and she was seeing monsters.

It's like the stats on school shootings in the states. Is it a school shooting if a drug deal went bad in the parking lot after hours? Depends on what your agenda is I guess.

I still feel safe in Canada but the trend of random violent acts does bother me. The knock out game, gang initiations, those are scary things because there is no way to see them coming. That wasn't happening 20-30 years ago that I remember.

Are the gang initiations a real thing? There have been school yard stories about that since at least the 80s. Snopes has tons of them all as false.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/deadly-pullover/
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/flint-and-tinder/
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/flint-and-tinder/
There are tons on the site.

In general if there are "Gang Initiations" it appears that they are targeted or occur in the commission of another targeted crime.

[CaptainCrunch]

I read a book on gangs and gang initiations a while ago, and for the most part Gangs don't really want to announce their presence with an initiation of a new member so for the most part the initiations are internal.


The exceptions to that are


The Aryan Brotherhood requires you to kill a rival gang member


For the most part initiations are internal


The Bloods with the buck 50, the Latin Kings make you put up your girlfriend to be gang raped, oh and you have to kill another rival gang member. The Hells Angels make you bathe in poop. The Knights Templar Drug Cartel makes you eat a human heart. The Crips have the jump in.



A initiation where you go on a random stabbing spree would be pretty stupid and pointless, and gangs aren't that stupid or pointless.

[monkeyman]

I think CP should have an initiation ritual.

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

I think CP should have an initiation ritual.

We do. Post about how winter tires aren't really needed.

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by Minnie

We do. Post about how winter tires aren't really needed.

the old winter tire jump in.

[Corral]

Some of you need to walk away from your spreadsheets. This town changed dramatically a few years ago. The random killing at the city hall ctrain still chills me.

[TheSutterDynasty]

Originally Posted by Corral

Some of you need to walk away from your spreadsheets. This town changed dramatically a few years ago. The random killing at the city hall ctrain still chills me.

So you're suggesting that even if there were 10 random killings per year before that and only one that year, the town has still "dramatically changed"?

If anything it's changed for the better. It's wild to see people's biases at play here. "Ya but this year is different!" It's different because you've had an emotional response to it. Statistics can be warped but any way you cut this the city is safer than it was 10 years ago.

[Jordan!]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

I think CP should have an initiation ritual.

Pube eating contest?

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow

Pube eating contest?

I keep seeing this brought up, can someone explain where it came from?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

I keep seeing this brought up, can someone explain where it came from?

Aaron Ward I believe.

[taco.vidal]

http://calgarysun.com/news/crime/chi...-with-a-weapon

Police have charged 30-year-old Nina Nepinak with three counts of aggravated assault and three counts of assault with a weapon after three 'random' stabbings on Thursday night.

Six charges have been laid against a woman after what police are calling a series of random stabbings in and around a Chinook Centre parkade on Thursday night.

Police say the 30-year-old woman was at a restaurant in the 5800 block of Macleod Trail S.W. around 8:20 p.m., when an argument broke out between the woman and someone in the restaurant not long after the accused received her order.

One arrested after three injured in attacks around Chinook Centre
That’s when police say she stabbed a 24-year-old woman inside the restaurant before fleeing into the parking lot, where she then stabbed a 77-year-old man.

She then headed across the street and into a Chinook Centre parkade where she stabbed a third person, a man in his 50s.

The most serious charge is aggravated assault. No attempted murder? Then this will probably get plead down to simple assault and a hug-a-thug judge will let her out for time spent in pre-trial custody. Then the crime stats will record that a simple assault occurred and the lefties will tell us that Calgary is safer know than it was 20 years ago.

[DownInFlames]

Ugh I hate lefties. Always insisting on using facts and reason instead of emotion and prejudice.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by TheSutterDynasty

Statistics can be warped but any way you cut this the city is safer than it was 10 years ago.

We honestly don't know that. As I've said, since I don't hang around with a criminal element or have any violent people in my social circle, the only violent crime stats that affect my safety are random attacks on strangers. And I don't know if those are going up or down because I haven't seen Calgary's crime stats broken down that way. Maybe you could point me to a link?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

Ugh I hate lefties. Always insisting on using facts and reason instead of emotion and prejudice.

You really think this is a left-right issue? Trying pointing out sexual assault rates are declining. See where the objections come from, and how emotional vs rational the objections are.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

You really think this is a left-right issue? Trying pointing out sexual assault rates are declining. See where the objections come from, and how emotional vs rational the objections are.

I believe he was responding with sarcasm to Taco’s post.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

You really think this is a left-right issue? Trying pointing out sexual assault rates are declining. See where the objections come from, and how emotional vs rational the objections are.

No, I was being facetious. But taco sure does. He started it by unsheathing his broad brush against "lefties" yet you didn't respond to his post. Curious.

As soon as I see some use a term like that I discount everything they say because they're just playing team politics. Weren't you just rallying against tribalism? Again, curious.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

We honestly don't know that. As I've said, since I don't hang around with a criminal element or have any violent people in my social circle, the only violent crime stats that affect my safety are random attacks on strangers. And I don't know if those are going up or down because I haven't seen Calgary's crime stats broken down that way. Maybe you could point me to a link?

I think it depends on why you believe crime and violent crime in general is down since the 80s.

It could be a reporting issue

If it's purely driven by reductions in sexual assaults and domestic violence then it could be cultural and not affect random crime

If it's the legalized abortion theory then it should affect general crime
If it's the elimination of lead paint and leaded gasoline then it should affect crime generally.

I generally believe in the lead theory for the reduction of crime so this should apply to random crime as much as specific crime.

Do you consider robbery a random crime or a targeted crime?