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Bunk · 04-29-2018, 09:05 AM

Go with: top seeds get to pick their opponent. Think of how fun it will be when Pittsburgh picks Washington every year.

codynw · 04-29-2018, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Bunk

Go with: top seeds get to pick their opponent. Think of how fun it will be when Pittsburgh picks Washington every year.

Except Washington is usually the #1 seed, not Pittsburgh.

Bunk · 04-29-2018, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by codynw

Except Washington is usually the #1 seed, not Pittsburgh.

Then think how interesting it would be that they would never pick them (only to face them later anyway, probably)

Would add some interesting psychological dynamics to series.

Corral · 04-29-2018, 10:53 AM

Seems very unlikely this format will change for a long time. The NHL and TV networks must certainly enjoy the round 1 rivalries for revenue generation and saturation of markets.

I have no sympathy for the Washington or Toronto ... Calgary had to beat Edmonton or Gretzky in his prime every year in the 1980s to get out the Smythe.

GullFoss · 04-29-2018, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Bunk

Go with: top seeds get to pick their opponent. Think of how fun it will be when Pittsburgh picks Washington every year.

I really like this idea...especially within the division format. I'd change it to top divisional seed get to choose btwn the #3 and #4 divisional seeds. The top conference seed gets to choose btwn the #3 division seed or either of the two wild cards.

Flamenspiel · 04-29-2018, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Ha-ha so confident in yourself.

I'd say the Leafs lineup a lot better against the Pens than the Bruins.

I think the big difference is the Leafs get home advantage in both those situations. Leafs were a very good home team. A 105 point season should at least get you home advantage in the first round.

lol on the Leafs ever beating Pittsburg. Hey, i wanted the Leafs to beat the Bruins, but this is either misplaced arrogance or wishful thinking.

Enoch Root · 04-29-2018, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rtown

I get the "to be the best you hafta beat the best" argurment and agree with it, but where I think it's flawed is as someone else pointed out, 3rd place in the conference should net you home ice advantage.
Do I think the Leafs would have beat the Penguins? Not necessarily but a 105 point team should have had the chance to host game 7.
The other factor to consider is revenue. Not that the Leafs need it but imagine that Florida or Carolina finished 3rd in the Conference. You don't think that their coffers couldn't use the revenue from a 4th home playoff game? Even if they lose game 7 that's a fair bit of scratch for the team's bottom line.

3rd in the division, and 4th in the conference. Hardly a travesty. Especially when the other division is deeper (and there are fewer free points lying around)

Rtown · 04-29-2018, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

3rd in the division, and 4th in the conference. Hardly a travesty. Especially when the other division is deeper (and there are fewer free points lying around)

Whoops, egg on my face, I don't know why I had it in my head the Leafs were 3rd.

ForeverFlameFan · 04-29-2018, 05:01 PM

I absolutely prefer the 1-8 seeding by each conference, but I also have the mentality that in order to be the Stanley Cup winning team you have to face whatever team comes your way.

edn88 · 04-29-2018, 08:47 PM

I’d like to see 1-6 seeded for conference with 7-10 playing a play in round (and earning a spot against 1 and 2 seeds)

savemedrzaius · 04-29-2018, 09:40 PM

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Whoops, egg on my face, I don't know why I had it in my head the Leafs were 3rd.

Same amount of points but Washington has more ROW.

Tsawwassen · 05-02-2018, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by GGG

No reseeding after a playoff round is important for brackets, pools and gambling. These things makes sports more fun.

Rivalries where bad blood occurs year after year is great. Random matchups between teams that have played twice in the year in round 1 are not fun.

The higher probability of caps vs pens, Leafs vs Hans, Bos vs leafs, Chi vs Det in the playoffs the better. Though we still won't get to see a BOA in the playoffs as E=NG.

Bhawks vs Red Wings are in different conferences, they can only meet in the Stanley Cup Finals. Rivalries year after year get can become less exciting and lead to overkill. Random matchups in round 1 are fun because it's new and refreshing.

The opposite can be said for reseeding as it is important for pools and gambling and it makes it just as fun. The only time teams play each other twice a year are teams from each conference. Generally, teams from the same division play each other 4 times and teams from the other div in the same conf play each other 3 times.

GGG · 05-02-2018, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Tsawwassen

Bhawks vs Red Wings are in different conferences, they can only meet in the Stanley Cup Finals. Rivalries year after year get can become less exciting and lead to overkill. Random matchups in round 1 are fun because it's new and refreshing.

The opposite can be said for reseeding as it is important for pools and gambling and it makes it just as fun. The only time teams play each other twice a year are teams from each conference. Generally, teams from the same division play each other 4 times and teams from the other div in the same conf play each other 3 times.

Next time you fill out an NCAA bracket ask yourself if it would be more fun if they reseeded everything. From a gambling and pools perspective you are wrong.

I agree you can make the argument that watching a BOA in Alberta in the playoffs every year would go stale. I certainly don't find it credible but it is a debatable point. Familiarity and Hatred makes good series in the first round and amplifies the regular season.

Tsawwassen · 05-02-2018, 06:09 AM

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I like it. It helps reduce travel, creates an environment to increase rivalries, and personally has a nostalgia feel to it for me, as that was the format when I first got into hockey as a kid. The way I see it, if you want to win it all, you're going to have to beat these same teams at some point anyway. If it's in round 1/2 instead of 3, so be it.

Reduces travel? Not necessarily. Montreal vs. Tampa Bay (div rivals) is a far distance instead of Habs-Rangers (conf rivals). Flames/Oilers vs. Ducks/Kings is further than Flames/Oilers vs. Jets/Wild. The Knights vs. Avs would be closer than many div matchups.

Tsawwassen · 05-02-2018, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by GGG

Next time you fill out an NCAA bracket ask yourself if it would be more fun if they reseeded everything. From a gambling and pools perspective you are wrong.

I agree you can make the argument that watching a BOA in Alberta in the playoffs every year would go stale. I certainly don't find it credible but it is a debatable point. Familiarity and Hatred makes good series in the first round and amplifies the regular season.

Yep, you're right about the NCAA bracket for basketball, can't debate that as there are 64 teams. The advantage for reseeding in the NHL, NBA, and NFL playoffs has the lowest seeded team playing the highest seeded team remaining. The 2012 Kings were a gamble as the #8 seed to win the Stanley Cup. Familiarity and hatred can also make good series in the 3rd round (div rivals), something that has largely been taken away with the current inferior format.

N-E-B · 05-02-2018, 06:34 AM

Meh, 15 of the 16 teams get knocked out eventually. If the #2 team gets knocked out in the first round as opposed to the third it doesn't hurt my feelings.

mrkajz44 · 05-02-2018, 09:20 AM

The divisional format just makes more sense than the 1-8 conference format for the simple fact that you play your division more than anyone else. As such, ranking teams within their division to determine playoff positioning just makes sense.

Hot_Flatus · 05-02-2018, 09:54 AM

It will never happen but i'd seed the teams 1-16 based on points and do away with wildcards. The second and third round would be fantastic and fans would get to see different playoff matchups much more frequently. The truly elite teams would have a substantial advantage for finishing the year near the top and you wouldn't end up with silly match-ups like the leafs/bruins in the first round.

I feel it would also even out the travel discrepancy that eastern teams currently enjoy until the SCFs which is really a huge advantage by the time June rolls around. In 2017 the Penguins had to travel distances of roughly 900 Miles (one way) between all first three round matchups combined. The Predators traveled nearly three times as far with almost 2800 Miles (one way) between their first three round opponents.

Winsor_Pilates · 05-02-2018, 10:09 AM

This format is bad. Aside from getting into the playoffs, being 1-8 in the conference means almost nothing.
What is the point of playing 82 games and having the results of that be so meaningless. The top teams should have earned the right to play the bottom seeds throughout the playoffs.

Philly06Cup · 05-04-2018, 10:47 AM

Agree that the regular season should mean more. The president's trophy should be a bigger deal; winning your division should be a bigger deal. In the NFL, you earn a bye; in the MLB, there are much fewer playoff spots; NBA historically has a big difference in home/away splits. The NHL playoffs are very much a case where being the bottom seed doesn't hurt that much.

Letting the highest seeds choose their opponent would be hilariously fun.

I'd also be for other radical changes. Give the higher seed a one goal head start in game one of a series, or even a one game leg up. They literally earned it.