28YO man comes to have sex with 13YO girl..parents arrested after tying him up

[MoneyGuy]

Yeah, **** up a police investigation and folks blame the police.

Then there are the Internet vigilantes who claim they'd kill the guy.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Kjesse

The pedo was actively grooming this girl with messages for weeks while the RCMP were "investigating". How many text messages do they need before they act and how long should the parents put up with it? They can't be monitoring their daughters phone and activities 24/7. That's scary as a parent. He wasn't going to stop. So they acted.

Sure you can.

Sorry daughter, there is a creep doing bad stuff so you no longer have a phone until it's dealt with. Also, no computer access at home. At school? I would be telling the school what was going down and have them watch things for me.

[Ducay]

You know when the police tell you to simmer down, you probably should - ya'now - and not decide to go all Chris Hanson vigilante on them.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

What? It says right in the article the parents set up the sting and wanted the cops to come to it with them.

Clearly the parents set up the sex meeting, not the daughter.

Let me be clear that I don't condone the parents actions here at all. They did not act lawfully in any legal or moral sense.

But based on the article, the parents were worried for their daughters safety. The parents didn't ask to meet with this man, they simply agreed to his request. He initiated the meeting, not the parents. That's terrifying as a parent.

Does that make what they did right? Streaming it on Facebook is certainly ridiculous.

But in a human sense, you can't watch your child 24/7, especially at that age. You can give them all the good advice in the world and hope they listen.

But if 6 weeks go by and the police still not have taken any action, I think a lot of people would think it reasonable to make sure it stops.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Let me be clear that I don't condone the parents actions here at all. They did not act lawfully in any legal or moral sense.

But based on the article, the parents were worried for their daughters safety. The parents didn't ask to meet with this man, they simply agreed to his request.

Does that make what they did right? Streaming it on Facebook is certainly ridiculous.

But in a human sense, you can't watch your child 24/7, especially at that age. You can give them all the good advice in the world and hope they listen.

But if 6 weeks go by and the police still not have taken any action, I think a lot of people would think it reasonable to make sure it stops.

Parents pay the cell phone and internet bill. It isn't that hard to suspend service until the situation is dealt with. Like I said in the other post, alert the school to the situation so they can help monitor as well.

You need to stay late after school for a project? Nope, you and your study buddy are doing it at our house. You want to go to a friends? Sorry no, they can come to our house. My kid would be on lock down until the cops did their work.

[iggyformayor]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

What, exactly, would they be arresting him for? Is there an offense in the Criminal Code somewhere relating to being a total scumbag? How would they avoid the inevitable claims of entrapment?

This thread is hilarious. I seriously don't think half of you guys even stop for a minute to consider what you're posting.

Oh, ok. So it's perfectly legal to do everything leading up to the actual rape, the grooming, the pictures, etc., but the RCMP can't do anything until he actually rapes her?? I don't think the parents are fully in the right here, but come on.

https://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002.../10783-eng.htm

"In 2002, the Canadian Criminal Code was amended to include new offences that would help combat the luring of individuals under the age of 18, by making it "illegal to communicate with children over the Internet for the purpose of committing a sexual offence" (Department of Justice, 2002)."

Child luring IS illegal. They have physical evidence of his plans and intent.

FFS.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Parents pay the cell phone and internet bill. It isn't that hard to suspend service until the situation is dealt with. Like I said in the other post, alert the school to the situation so they can help monitor as well.

You need to stay late after school for a project? Nope, you and your study buddy are doing it at our house. You want to go to a friends? Sorry no, they can come to our house. My kid would be on lock down until the cops did their work.

Okay, take away their phone, internet privileges, make sure they come straight home from school. Maybe the parents even did some of these things. But what if the child has access to Facebook from school, or a friend's phone, etc.?

Living in fear that your child is being lured by a pedophile isn't a happy situation to be in.

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Let me be clear that I don't condone the parents actions here at all. They did not act lawfully in any legal or moral sense.

But based on the article, the parents were worried for their daughters safety. The parents didn't ask to meet with this man, they simply agreed to his request. He initiated a meeting, not the parents.

Does that make what they did right? Streaming it on Facebook is certainly ridiculous.

But in a human sense, you can't watch your child 24/7, especially at that age. You can give them all the good advice in the world and hope they listen.

But if 6 weeks go by and the police still not have taken any action, I think a lot of people would think it reasonable to make sure it stops.

None of the actions the parents took after notifying the police were reasonable by any stretch of the imagination.

I would love to hear their justification for using their daughter's social media account to stay in contact with and probably encourage someone they knew was trying to lure their daughter. Especially when it would be incredibly easy to remove access to the account and make sure she didn't have any contact with the person sending the messages.

I also don't think that 6 weeks is that long for an investigation that would most likely require warrants to be issued and served to ISPs and social media companies, then the documents produced by the respondents to those warrants. I also believe that the officers responsible for this type of investigation are not the regular duty detectives, due to the nature of the offenses and the need to ensure the evidence is collected correctly.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by iggyformayor

Oh, ok. So it's perfectly legal to do everything leading up to the actual rape, the grooming, the pictures, etc., but the RCMP can't do anything until he actually rapes her?? I don't think the parents are fully in the right here, but come on.

https://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002.../10783-eng.htm

Child luring IS illegal. They have physical evidence of his plans and intent.

FFS.

I'm not sure how long things usually take, but it isn't as simple as here is a text message go get him.

I assume you need a warrant or subpoena or whatever to get records from phone/internet companies, that may or may be easy. Maybe it's signed up under a different person than the alleged person sending the messages? Maybe he wasn't on his own phone or internet when he did it?

I'm sure there are different variables that change the amount of time something like this would take.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Okay, take away their phone, internet privileges, make sure they come straight home from school. Maybe the parents even did some of these things. But what if the child has access to Facebook from school, or a friend's phone, etc.?

Living in fear that your child is being lured by a pedophile isn't a happy situation to be in.

I agree.

That's why I said alert the school and work with them. Even if they manage to get some computer/phone time it would be hard for the pedo to get a hold of them if the school also is aware of the situation.

You want to come as close as possible to not allowing that chance to act. I have no idea what the parents did/didn't do in that sence. All I'm saying is I would be focusing my effort on that, rather than setting up a sting.

As soon as I saw that meet up message efforts would be doubled.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

Any reasonable person would have alerted the police, provided them with the details of the account that was being targeted and cut off their daughters access to that account and let the police deal with it. There was no need or reason for the parents to impersonate their daughter and maintain contact during the police investigation (the police certainly wouldn't have told them to).

Am I missing something in the article, but did the parents not do this?

Also, where are you seeing that the parents impersonated the daughter for weeks? If they did do that, at least it does seem they took away her access to communicate with this individual.

The article and video are not long at all so are these just assumptions?

[CaptainCrunch]

By the way, while I do have sympathy for the parents, what they did was pretty much illegal and entrapment, and if the police were working on this case, and a guy like MBates will probably state it, would get thrown out.

When they had those predator catchers that were entrapping people and basically doing it without the backing of the law, and actually getting innocent people caught up in this, and we were all saying it was wrong.

Well emotions aside, the parents acted foolishly, they weren't thinking straight and I get it.

What if this guy wasn't just a pedo but a armed creep with a murder rape fantasy?

You just don't know.

but as soon as they invited him they opened the door.

In dealing with the police, what were their steps? who did they talk to?

We as citizens are not the police, we cannot act as the enforcers of the law, that makes us no better then a lynch mob.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

What if this guy wasn't just a pedo but a armed creep with a murder rape fantasy?

Isn't that really an argument that the parents should have done something?

6 weeks they had waited and nothing happened while this man continued to try and contact their daughter. This included him requesting an in-person meeting at the time he was "entrapped". How long do you expect the parents to wait while they fear for their daughter's safety? Until it's too late?

I don't blame the RCMP, assuming they were actually investigating and it wasn't just put on the back-burner, as it can take time.

But I certainly can't condemn the parents for doing something about the man trying to lure their daughter...

[evman150]

Why do 13 year olds need cell phones again?

For "safety"?

LOL

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by evman150

Why do 13 year olds need cell phones again?

For "safety"?

LOL

Convenience? I mean, who cares, most 13 year olds are perfectly capable of assuming responsibility of a cellphone. If you're not going to let them have one because of the potential of a predator, you're just a helicopter parent afraid of the boogieman (although there's other reasons a parent may not want to have their kids own a phone).

Also think it's naive that some people here assume you can control a 13 year old to such an extent that she wouldn't be able to contact the man if she really wanted to. You'd pretty much need to watch her every recess, every lunch, every weekend, every after school activity, every one of her friends with a phone, everytime she's on a computer, every note she passes in class. You could probably do it for a bit - like the parents did for six weeks - but you're not stopping it for months on end. Would need to teach her the dangers of it (which they may have done)

[GoinAllTheWay]

Zap strap?

[morgin]

Originally Posted by evman150

Why do 13 year olds need cell phones again?

For "safety"?

LOL

Probably an unpopular answer, but because cell phones are fun and connect people to the world, good and bad? Why does anyone need a cell phone? 13 year olds aren't toddlers, they are capable of critical thought with some guidance, and sheltering them from internet culture is in my view akin to homeschooling a kid without letting them socialize.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by GoinAllTheWay

Zap strap?

White trash for zip tie.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Sliver

White trash for zip tie.

So these folks are "white trash" now?

[Sliver]

Don't know. Haven't watched the video.