Pentagon Conspiracy

[Mike F]

I've got no problem with people questioning what went on there, especially in light of the lack of evidence of wreckage there that I've seen at every other crash site.

However, the question I always want to ask those advocating one of the conspiracies is "OK, if flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon, then what happened to it?" Flight 77 went down somewhere and I have a hard time believing that it could have crashed somewhere else without anyone noticing.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally posted by Bring_Back_Shantz@Sep 1 2004, 08:53 PM
Ohhhh don't get me started on the French airforce. Those guys couldn't tell their asses from a hole in the ground.

And that is on a good day.... way to many close calls with a bomb (even if it is a practice bomb) and a pipeline.

[Mr. Ski]

Originally posted by Mike F@Sep 1 2004, 08:55 PM
However, the question I always want to ask those advocating one of the conspiracies is "OK, if flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon, then what happened to it?" Flight 77 went down somewhere and I have a hard time believing that it could have crashed somewhere else without anyone noticing.

I spent a number of hours (5+) on a rather dreary day last winter reading through an extensive, wacky conspiracy-theory site which tried to explain all the Sept 11th happenings as US Gov orchastraited.

It touched on many of the points raised in the clip at the top....

In a nut shell: Their explanation is that none of the first three planes crashed where they were said to have. Both hits to the WTC were special "bomb" planes, and the Pentagon was hit by a Tamahawk Missel. Further, all the passengers from all four planes were transfered and loaded on the last one that went down in the field, and the three others were flown off shore and ditched in the ocean late that night... it goes on and on from there...

It was actually a chilling read... not that I believed any of it, rather the fact that anyone would. These guys make Michael Moore look like a GOP foreign policy adviser.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Hey man, no need to trash talk the brits in Ezzies. Those guys were great. They came in like locusts and when they left, there wasn't a sigle fat chick left in the bar. Leaving only the cute ones for the rest of us.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally posted by Bring_Back_Shantz@Sep 1 2004, 09:12 PM
Hey man, no need to trash talk the brits in Ezzies. Those guys were great. They came in like locusts and when they left, there wasn't a sigle fat chick left in the bar. Leaving only the cute ones for the rest of us.

I usually don't respond to posts like this, but I will just say this, that is the absolute truth, the brits seem to have a thing for the ummm bigger women.

[icarus]

I believe there was a controversial French book that brought up the same conspiracy theory that there was no evidence a jetliner crashed into the Pentagon. But assuming that the jetliners that crashed into the twin towers were real, it seems nearly impossible that the Americans would/could come up with a plot so quickly to make it appear that the Pentagon was also attacked. Either everything happened as we understand it or the whole thing was a conspiracy (hard to believe).

[Bertuzzied]

Originally posted by icarus@Sep 1 2004, 09:40 PM
I believe there was a controversial French book that brought up the same conspiracy theory that there was no evidence a jetliner crashed into the Pentagon. But assuming that the jetliners that crashed into the twin towers were real, it seems nearly impossible that the Americans would/could come up with a plot so quickly to make it appear that the Pentagon was also attacked. Either everything happened as we understand it or the whole thing was a conspiracy (hard to believe).

Maybe they didn't like the colors of their newly renovated offices?

[Lurch]

So, if you think it's possible the pentagon attack was a conspiracy, what did GW gain? It's pretty obvious planes flew into the towers, and a plane crashed in Penn - no conspiracy theories there. So what conceivable reason would the gov't have to 'fake' the pentagon attack and act like it was a plane.

I question GW's motives on a lot of things. However, even if I thought the guy was enough of a sicko to create the whole thing, why go to the trouble of some elaborate plan like firing rockets into a building, pretending its a plane, mysteriously making the actual plane and people disappear, etc. Why not just actually smash into the building with a plane - elaborate hoax problem solved?

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally posted by Bertuzzied+Sep 1 2004, 09:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bertuzzied @ Sep 1 2004, 09:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-icarus@Sep 1 2004, 09:40 PM
I believe there was a controversial French book that brought up the same conspiracy theory that there was no evidence a jetliner crashed into the Pentagon. But assuming that the jetliners that crashed into the twin towers were real, it seems nearly impossible that the Americans would/could come up with a plot so quickly to make it appear that the Pentagon was also attacked. Either everything happened as we understand it or the whole thing was a conspiracy (hard to believe).

Maybe they didn't like the colors of their newly renovated offices? [/b][/quote]
When hundreds of people died in the attacks I think that it is something that we shouldn't be joking about. This isn't meant to be only directed at you, it is just that I have heard some people coming up with jokes in recent weeks revolving around September 11th as the punchline and none of them are funny.

But it seems to me as though a lot of that guys "evidence" can be explained due to the initial confusion surrounding September 11th at all, and I mean all levels.

[Looger]

Originally posted by Mean Mr. Mustard@Sep 1 2004, 09:36 PM
I usually don't respond to posts like this, but I will just say this, that is the absolute truth, the brits seem to have a thing for the ummm bigger women.

that is the truth.

i don't think obesity is as out-of-control on that side of the pond as it is here, or maybe it is and they're real homesick!

[Looger]

as for the topic at hand there really isn't much point to a huge conspiracy run by robot pilots etc. to orchestrate a cooked-up terrorist plot on american soil because there are plenty of people willing to do it.

perhaps the sudanese navy could park a battleship off our coast and without declaring war, send missiles to our aspirin factories. that would provide us with the proper perspective.

the united states would never try a plot like this because there would be too many smoking guns. leaving doors wide open for others, though - why the hell not?

[Daradon]

Originally posted by BlackArcher101@Sep 1 2004, 07:24 PM
So what does he think punched a hole through the rings with the outer ring being the most damaged. A missile would not do that. Usually it will puncture, then explode. Very localized damage.

Just to play devils advocate, because I don't give much credibility to the conspiracy theory, but the U.S. does have plutonium tipped missles that can be fired from planes or dropped from bombers. If their 'bunker busters' that have been so popular in Afghanistan can dig/blast through a mountain of dirt or underground bunkers I'm sure a few walls even if they are steel reinforced shouldn't be too much of a problem.

I'm about as against the current 'regime' in the states as one could be and even I have a problem believing this conspiracy theory. I heard about it about a year and a half ago (maybe two years already, don't quote me) when that book by the French author came out. His biggest proof that the whole thing was a conspiracy was the same weak logic as this video. Why would a plane make such a tiny precise whole?

An interesting question yes, but to base a whole theory on the whole day? You need more 'evidence' or questions then that.

From what I had heard, the plane tunnelled itself underground quite a bit, and the building fell in on it, hence why the TV pictures were not as telling as some people might have liked them to be.

I'll admit, I am a tiny bit skeptical of the offical story. I mean we never did see them pull out large pieces of plane. But until there is further evidence to the contrary I have to admit that I don't know enough about the event or enough about the science to dispute the offical story.