A Deeper Look at Dave Tippett

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by belsarius

Maybe with a crappy Phx team, but go look at what he did in Dallas. How many seasons has Sutter had over 110 points? Dave Tippett teams actually have ppg players. Sutter took a 90 point Iginla and turned him into a 70 point player. Did the same thing with Kopitar. I know recency plays a big role in how Tippett is viewed but before being saddled with a dud lineup he coached a balanced style.

OK, now look at how long he was at that crappy Phx team and look at the lack of development from their young players they drafted or acquired and you will see why they remained crappy for so long. If you want to see the Flames draft top 5-10 every year and then watch those guys develop into nothing because the coach preaches boring non offensive hockey that is fine but I will pass. Again if you read what I wrote you will see how Tippett adapted his own system after the three year mark in Dallas which is when they started to struggle. There will be better coaches available.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

OK, now look at how long he was at that crappy Phx team and look at the lack of development from their young players they drafted or acquired and you will see why they remained crappy for so long. If you want to see the Flames draft top 5-10 every year and then watch those guys develop into nothing because the coach preaches boring non offensive hockey that is fine but I will pass. Again if you read what I wrote you will see how Tippett adapted his own system after the three year mark in Dallas which is when they started to struggle. There will be better coaches available.

I'm not following the bolded. Can you provide some evidence to back this up?

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

This. When Tippett was cutting his teeth in Dallas he had pretty offensive teams and did not implement any actual system. As time went on he developed his boring brand of hockey and the Stars struggled given their talent level and cut ties with him. Once he got to Phoenix he constantly stifled young players who had promising offensive talent and as the Yotes continued to draft good young exciting talent they continued to wallow with him at the helm. Much like some say if GG is retained they will take some time off from the team I feel the same way if they hire Tippett. If you think Gully hockey is boring you have not seen anything yet, this guy will turn Gaudreau into a 50 point player.

What evidence do you have that he didn’t actually have a system in place in Dallas? I find that incredibly hard to believe. And what young up and comers did he stifle in Phoenix?

22 year old Keith Yandle: 40+ points

20 year old Kyle Turris: played 65 games his rookie season.

23 year old Martin Hanzal: 61 GP, 26 points his rookie season.

21 year old Mikael Boedker: 82 GP, 24 points his rookie season.

21 year old OEL: played 48/48 games and 24 points his rookie season.

Just who are these blue chip prospects they had that weren’t given a shot? Given that Phoenix was a playoff team in Tippett’s first 3 years there, I don’t see why a multitude of young guys would be given spots over proven vets.

[jlh2640]

I’ve been wanting him to coach this team since we started talking about this scenario. His coaching records speak for itself.

[Vinny01]

Didn’t Max Domi and Anthony Duclair have great rookie seasons under Tippet?

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

OK, now look at how long he was at that crappy Phx team and look at the lack of development from their young players they drafted or acquired and you will see why they remained crappy for so long. If you want to see the Flames draft top 5-10 every year and then watch those guys develop into nothing because the coach preaches boring non offensive hockey that is fine but I will pass. Again if you read what I wrote you will see how Tippett adapted his own system after the three year mark in Dallas which is when they started to struggle. There will be better coaches available.

The Coyotes have only drafted that high twice in the 8 years Tippett has been there. Before that It was Eckman-Larsson and Mikkel Boedker who have turned out pretty good under Tippett. Along with Micheal Stone, Conner Murphy, Max Domi, Christian Dvorak. I would say Dylan Strome is turning out to be a big miss but you can hardly blame him on Tippett when he has only played 7 games for him.

Yes, Year 4, 06-07 was a low scoring year for the Stars at only 2.65 but they did manage 107 points. And they next year they were back in 9th overall for goals for. And yes the first year in Phx, another 107 point season saw a low goals for season, but they followed that up with another couple seasons in the middle of the pack for scoring.

I don't think he is going to light up the world with an offensive system, he wouldn't turn this place into Pittsburgh, but he has a system that can utilize talented players and get offense out of them. He also has the ability to get wins out of a less than skilled roster using a defensive system. I think the make-up of the current Flames is a lot closer to 2000s Dallas with a powerful first line and some good talent on defense, than it is to the Phx team of the last 10 years.

I think there will be lots of coaches, and yeah, probably some with a better pettigree than Tippett. But I agree with the original post and think he is a lot better than most people are giving him credit for.

[CSharp]

Stats aside if you'd tried watching the Coyotes and the Stars play under Tippet, it's not very appealing. I'm not talking about the games played with the Flames that I watch either, it's like this for most of their other regular season games. I'd like to see a coach on the Flames with a mentality for offence and speed. Someone like Gallant who can turn castaway players and motivate them to play hard and fast every night and outscore their opponents rather than sit back, defend, and wait for opportunities to come their way.

I actually think the Flames with GG for this past couple of years is pretty close, just missing some glaring holes in all of their forward lines. With the exception of Ferland and Tkachuk who consistently go to the dirty areas, nobody else goes to the front of the net and everyone is shooting from the perimeters. Maybe what GG has been trying to do this year is to preach a more patient, more defensive game. You can see this with how many games they've lost by one goal before and after that 7-game winning streak. If the Flames push for more goals rather than sit on their leads, they would be in a playoff position right now rather than suck this bad or be on the bubble every year. Don't get me wrong about me liking GG - I still like Hartley better as a coach, but when this team is good, they're frickin unstoppable, but when they're bad, they're basically the worst team in the league (almost). You can't totally blame it all on the coaching staff for this as some of the players and missing players have caused this team to not perform to where it should be.