Off season RW options-Nichushkin?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Does Calgary really have the option to not gamble? Swing for the fences.

Calgary certainly has the option of not taking this particular gamble.

Nichuskin for an overpayment is fine.

An overpayment, by definition, is never fine – especially when you're short of assets to begin with.

Your argument boils down to the Politician's Fallacy:

‘Something must be done.
This is something.
Therefore, we must do this.’

[Beninho]

Nichushkin had 28 pts in 52 games in the KHL this season. Not someone you overpay for

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Calgary certainly has the option of not taking this particular gamble.

An overpayment, by definition, is never fine – especially when you're short of assets to begin with.

Your argument boils down to the Politician's Fallacy:

‘Something must be done.
This is something.
Therefore, we must do this.’

Not at all. Your suggestion falls into the Grumbleman's Intricacy.
"The value of a Nichuskin could soon far exceed what we pay for him in today's dollars.
A coin worth flipping.
Because we are mediocre."

Joking. An overpayment today (in the current value of the asset going the other way), if Nichuskin reaches his potential, is an underpayment in one years time. The gamble is on his learning curve, but the toolset is there.

[dammage79]

If the Flames could get Nichushkin rights and then sign him, I'd love it.

That being said, the Stars likely have zero intent to move him.

Would be nice but I don't think there's any traction there.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Nichushkin had 28 pts in 52 games in the KHL this season. Not someone you overpay for

The size and speed of this player is better suited to the NHL, as opposed to the KHL where the smaller, softer players are excelling. The KHL is a bad place for him to develop.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

The size and speed of this player is better suited to the NHL, as opposed to the KHL where the smaller, softer players are excelling. The KHL is a bad place for him to develop.

So was the NHL apparently.

[Spinach]

I can't speak to what "people" see as options. My memory, on the other hand, is telling me that Nichushkin is a left-handed shot.

Unless the Flames get a RH centre who can provide offence, Treliving should be wary of adding yet another lefty to the top 6.

The Kapanen suggestion is interesting. He surely doesn't have the upside the Toronto media is boasting about, but if the cost is low enough it's worth exploring.

What about Joonas Donskoi out of San Jose?

Taylor Raddysh, Julien Gauthier, Tage Thompson or other younger guys could be more realistic solutions than the Nylanders, Mark Stone or Simmonds.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Probably can't compare the two players because of the obvious difference in paths they've taken. Bennett has had his chances in the NHL with NHL players while nichuskin had only the one year.

You make it sound like Nichuskin simply chose the KHL over the NHL. This is not true. He is in the KHL because he couldn't play in the NHL.

Bennett is a better player, at a younger age.

But the grass is always greener elsewhere for some people.

[Scroopy Noopers]

How is bringing in another unproven young guy an answer to our RW problem!?

The Flames don't need another project. They need 1 legit top line player for next season. It's the only hole to fill.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Not at all. Your suggestion falls into the Grumbleman's Intricacy.
"The value of a Nichuskin could soon far exceed what we pay for him in today's dollars.
A coin worth flipping.
Because we are mediocre."

If the odds were as good as a coin flip, maybe. But you don't make an even money bet on a long shot.

The Oilers overpaid for Klefbom, thinking it was a coin worth flipping because they were mediocre. But it wasn't, and now they have yet another mediocre defenceman and no Taylor Hall. There are far worse things than mediocrity.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

How is bringing in another unproven young guy an answer to our RW problem!?

The Flames don't need another project. They need 1 legit top line player for next season. It's the only hole to fill.

Issue is going to be it's virtually impossible to acquire a guy who's a proven 1st line RW.

Of the top 30 RH shots in the NHL in scoring this year the only realistic options are David Perron, Derek Stepan, or Tomas Vanek.

Not really ideal options but work in the short term.

If they go that route then they really should also try and find a younger guy who is potentially stuck in a 3rd line role on a different team with lots of RH depths and might have more offense than they have shown.

Ondrej Kase in Anaheim or Joonas Donskoi in San Jose would be good RW depth but doubt they'd make a deal in-division. Jesper Fast out of New York. Joel Armia in Winnipeg. Stefan Noesen in New Jersey.

Or guys stuck in the AHL. Nicholas Merkley, Daniel Sprong, & Kasperi Kapanen are other names that come to mind.

Then after that you are probably wondering if either Matthew Phillips, Glenn Gawdin, or Spencer Foo are realistic options within the organization already to help with 2nd or 3rd line RW depth.

Honestly I could see Bennett - Jankowski - Phillips as a line that could work in the offensive zone.

[alcatrazhockey]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I would love the Flames to acquire him on the cheap - any non-defensive prospect in the Flames system or any 3rd round and lower pick - but that's not going to happen. A team is not going to spend much to take on that risk, and Dallas is not going to give him away for nothing.

Dube for Nichuskin?

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

How does this have any relevance? Nichushkin is no longer a high draft pick. He is now 23-years-old and two years removed from being a 0.5 pts/game player in the NHL. He has some value, but not a lot compared to the 2013 NHL entry draft

so a 2nd round pick .... if the Flames had one?

If that is the market then what would you expect to get for Bennett? Jankowski?

Nichushkin is younger than Jankowski.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

so a 2nd round pick .... if the Flames had one?

If that is the market then what would you expect to get for Bennett? Jankowski?

Nichushkin is younger than Jankowski.

Leaving the NHL to play in the KHL certainly diminishes value... especially the way he left

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Since1984

I think a deal could be had with MTL:
To MTL:
TJ Brodie
Emile Poirier

To CGY:
Brendan Gallagher
5th Round

The Habs are not going to move Gallagher.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

so a 2nd round pick .... if the Flames had one?

That seems about right.

If that is the market then what would you expect to get for Bennett? Jankowski?

Nichushkin is younger than Jankowski.

I don't really care, and I am again not sure what relevance the trade value of Bennett and Jankowski has to this particular discussion.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by alcatrazhockey

Dube for Nichuskin?

I’ve een Dube play at least 10 times live, he has the potential to be a dynamic player with the correct development. This would be a brain dead trade.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Beninho

I’ve een Dube play at least 10 times live, he has the potential to be a dynamic player with the correct development. This would be a brain dead trade.

I agree, but expect this would be close to the cost to acquire Nichushkin from Dallas.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Beninho

I’ve een Dube play at least 10 times live, he has the potential to be a dynamic player with the correct development. This would be a brain dead trade.

Dube's upside, at least I see it, as that of a really good two-way 3rd liner with a bit of pop. I don't see him a strong producer offensively at the NHL level. 30 point guy and fan favorite.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

That seems about right.

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I don't really care, and I am again not sure what relevance the trade value of Bennett and Jankowski has to this particular discussion.

You project that you feel that you just might be the smartest guy in the room, so I would have hoped you would see the relevance on your own.

If Nichushkin's value as a former high draft pick with still a big possible upside has been down graded to a 2nd round pick then pretty much around the rest of the league (ie not Flames fans) then Bennett and Jankowski as high draft choices finished with their ELC and haven't established themselves as top players would be similarly valued.

I on the other hand would predict that Dallas will take the potential risk of his value falling lower than a 2nd round pick to see if he can overcome his injury and possible personality problems and get back on the Monahan track. Also I would not trade Jankowski and especially Bennett for a 2nd round pick.