Afghanistan is out of control

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by HOZ@Oct 3 2005, 07:17 PM
hates Chomsky


Damn....must be a Nazi!

Laugh. That doesn't even make sense.

As a centrist, I'm sure you'll find the following story quite disturbing. It seems that much of the government of Afghanistan is corrupt and the production of narcotics is essentially legal. Clearly that is a negative and the Bush administration's handling of Afghanistan has been quite inadequate if things have gone this far. Right? I mean anyone without a clear affinity for either side will have to admit that this is quite a bad development.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto.../International/

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan@Oct 4 2005, 01:33 AM
So, Ag, you're saying that you will argue with anyone who is coming from a right of center viewpoint? There is no common ground or do you ignore it? Maybe you're talking about media sources, but I thought I was pretty clear that I wasn't referring to those types of sources.

Sorry, I'll re-word it.

I argue with anyone who sounds stupid to me. HOZ sounds stupid to me. The 'Right', often, but not always, sounds stupid to me. Most of the time, you don't sound stupid to me.

I think there is obviously room for a centre viewpoint, I've found it represented in many threads, and agreed. This is not one of those threads. HOZ and I are unlikely to find a common, central viewpoint on this issue, as evidenced by HOZ' opening statement in this thread, which was clearly geared to start this exact type of argument. How are you finding any of this surprising? This is the thousandth + thread to go down on CalPuck just like this.

If this is so, I feel sorry for you.

Honestly, what's with this personal bs? You don't know me, so why don't you hold on to that for someone who gives a shinguard?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Oh, the drama.

I understand the need to argue with people who sound stupid to you. I share the affliction.

The last line of my post was based on a misinterpretation (remember, you reworded your own post?) so why even pay attention to it after your answer rendered it meaningless?

I haven't claimed to know you and the fact that you don't give a shinguard doesn't phase me the least little bit.

[HOZ]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos@Oct 4 2005, 01:37 AM
Laugh. That doesn't even make sense.

As a centrist, I'm sure you'll find the following story quite disturbing. It seems that much of the government of Afghanistan is corrupt and the production of narcotics is essentially legal. Clearly that is a negative and the Bush administration's handling of Afghanistan has been quite inadequate if things have gone this far. Right? I mean anyone without a clear affinity for either side will have to admit that this is quite a bad development.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto.../International/

Why doesn't it make sense? Hating chomsky was one of the criteria that proves that I am "rightwing". I think that is incredibly silly. So I replied in kind.


As for the developments of Afghanistan. Did you expect everything to go right? I sure didn't. Yet it seems those that were/are against the invasion seem to have taken the stance that if Afghanistan is not Narnia the place is in shambles. Not what it was versus what it is like now. I not sure how anyone can say things have gotten worse. And the way the media works today the more sensational the story the more money they make. Feel good stories just don't cut it in info-tainment.

As for the running of Afghanistan it is a UN job. The US's 18,000 troops are separate and have a hunt and kill mission in regards to the Taleban and Al-Queda.

Maybe you didn't get the story, I read it here in Japan, but the Afghan army, trained by the Canadians, has been on the frontier fighting with the Taleban.

[transplant99]

Im surprised there are people who believe the US had no right to go into Afgahnistan to begin with.

You know, the country that allowed the "soldiers" of Al-Queda to live, train and be financed through their illegitimate government? The same "soldiers" that hijacked 4 airplanes and flew them into US targets in an act of war.

I guess the US should of just sat there and done nothing about it. Which is weird, because the same left wing spinsters harp on Bush for allegedly doing JUST THAT the day it all went down.

Im confused.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by HOZ@Oct 4 2005, 01:01 AM
Why doesn't it make sense? Hating chomsky was one of the criteria that proves that I am "rightwing". I think that is incredibly silly. So I replied in kind.

Oh I'm sorry HOZ. I guess I should rephrase. You've said Chomsky is an idiot and that Reagan ended communism.

Right down the middle.

I'd love to hear your centrist viewpoints on the death penalty, the YOA, welfare, global warming and the Kyoto accord.

As for the developments of Afghanistan. Did you expect everything to go right? I sure didn't. Yet it seems those that were/are against the invasion seem to have taken the stance that if Afghanistan is not Narnia the place is in shambles. Not what it was versus what it is like now. I not sure how anyone can say things have gotten worse.
I didn't say things had become worse. The place is in shambles though. You ever heard the term "narco-state"? I hadn't until yesterday and apparently it's a bit of a worry.

Feel good stories just don't cut it in info-tainment.
You mean stories about Afghan-Oprah?

[HOZ]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos@Oct 4 2005, 06:37 PM
Oh I'm sorry HOZ. I guess I should rephrase. You've said Chomsky is an idiot and that Reagan ended communism.

Right down the middle.

I'd love to hear your centrist viewpoints on the death penalty, the YOA, welfare, global warming and the Kyoto accord.

As for the developments of Afghanistan. Did you expect everything to go right? I sure didn't. Yet it seems those that were/are against the invasion seem to have taken the stance that if Afghanistan is not Narnia the place is in shambles. Not what it was versus what it is like now. I not sure how anyone can say things have gotten worse.
I didn't say things had become worse. The place is in shambles though. You ever heard the term "narco-state"? I hadn't until yesterday and apparently it's a bit of a worry.

Feel good stories just don't cut it in info-tainment.
You mean stories about Afghan-Oprah?

You've said Chomsky is an idiot and that Reagan ended communism.

Right down the middle.

Yes I have and yet I am wondering how this makes me right wing?

Reagan was further to the right than I every want to be..yet I give credit where credit is due. He was pivotal in destroying the most evil empire the world has ever known. His economic policies were crap.

Chomsky on the other hand is a brilliant linguist. He is delusional and incredibly arrogant when it comes to politics and society.

People who quote and love Chomsky are not liberals. They are way past that. They are socialists if not beyond! Going deep, deep left field!

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As for being a shambles.

Compared to Canada? Slightly so.

To what it was like under the Taleban? Not in the slightest.

They are on their second election in 50 years. The majority of the people are voting! Even in the southern hard core Taleban area people are showing up. Those are good developments. The Afghan army is actively taking on the terrorists. The warlords are slowly losing power as more and more of them support the government.

Perfect...nope. Not even close. But us Canucks shouldn't be throwing stones!

[FlamesAllTheWay]

But wait:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4310024.stm

More fuel to the fire, it would seem...

[HOZ]

Pictures of democracy

Afghan Democracy. Click on link on the right

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by HOZ@Oct 4 2005, 07:57 PM

As for being a shambles.

Compared to Canada? Slightly so.

If you believe this, even just a little bit, then you are (no offense to ######ed people intended), ######ed.

As for the right-wing stuff, everyone who bothers with these political threads knows what side of the line you fall on. You are not fooling anyone.

[HOZ]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos@Oct 5 2005, 06:10 PM
If you believe this, even just a little bit, then you are (no offense to ######ed people intended), ######ed.

As for the right-wing stuff, everyone who bothers with these political threads knows what side of the line you fall on. You are not fooling anyone.

Yes, yes...I disagree with you and your comrads and therefore I am a neo-con.

And if you can't spot simple sarcasm or, in Ags part. cynicism then you are ######ed.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by HOZ@Oct 5 2005, 05:46 PM
Yes, yes...I disagree with you and your comrads and therefore I am a neo-con.

And if you can't spot simple sarcasm or, in Ags part. cynicism then you are ######ed.

Yes. Because you disagree with me an my comrades, you are a neo-con.

Sorry I didn't get your brilliant sarcasm. Your past references to our criminal government and the whole "Banana Republic" classification of Canada had me thinking that you thought the country was in a shambles. I guess not.

Just a simple search of the threads you've started tells me where your bias lies. You apparently love Mark Steyn. I suppose you think he's right in the middle as well?

[HOZ]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos@Oct 6 2005, 08:25 PM
Yes. Because you disagree with me an my comrades, you are a neo-con.

Sorry I didn't get your brilliant sarcasm. Your past references to our criminal government and the whole "Banana Republic" classification of Canada had me thinking that you thought the country was in a shambles. I guess not.

Just a simple search of the threads you've started tells me where your bias lies. You apparently love Mark Steyn. I suppose you think he's right in the middle as well?

Brilliant? I said simple. And if you or Ags (who still hasn't answered the question about whether the Afghans are beter now or not) cannot spot it then I am not the stupid one.


As for Canada I seem to have a higher expectations of it that you or your comrads. This country is acting and looking like a Banana Republic more and more. I am not sure why you would think it is being run like a well oiled machine, but you seem to think the Liberanos are doing a fine job.


As for Steyn....yes I like him. One of the finest writers Canada has produced. And yes he is conservative.