Ontario's Patrick Brown Steps Down

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by troutman

There was a discussion about it on CBC radio this morning. They said that his behavior was an "open secret" with the media. Will post the episode when it gets added to the CBC website. They also talked to three women who were routinely harassed around Parliament. It could be the details that reach us are just the tip of the iceberg.

Yeah, that's the impression I'm getting as well. That this behavior was "known". I would expect there to be other accusers (I mean Harvey Weinstein started with just Rose McGowen right).

I mean, his campaign staff all resigned en masse after urging him to step down... campaign staff are usually the most "ride or die" of your advisers. That they didn't defend him (and practically Rock-Bottomed him under the bus) while he was denying the accusations speaks pretty loudly in my mind.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Parallex

I mean, his campaign staff all resigned en masse after urging him to step down... campaign staff are usually the most "ride or die" of your advisers. That they didn't defend him (and practically Rock-Bottomed him under the bus) while he was denying the accusations speaks pretty loudly in my mind.

Very much this.

It would be normal to have a meeting with the top staff and Brown after something like this breaks out. Judging from the timeline, I'm guessing the things Brown said in private about the situation did not go down well with the staff.

Of course it's also possible Brown is just a s***head who attracts zero loyalty from the people around him.

[Bootsy]

I think this might be a blessing in disguise for the Ontario PCs depending on who becomes leader. Brown is looking like at best to be a creep, at worse a criminal and he really wasn't much of a leader anyways imo.
All I seen from him was to let Wynne sink herself, relying on the vote against her rather than exciting people to vote for him . If Caroline Mulroney becomes the leader, I think she wins in a landslide with much more substance.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Bootsy

I think this might be a blessing in disguise for the Ontario PCs depending on who becomes leader. Brown is looking like at best to be a creep, at worse a criminal and he really wasn't much of a leader anyways imo.
All I seen from him was to let Wynne sink herself, relying on the vote against her rather than exciting people to vote for him . If Caroline Mulroney becomes the leader, I think she wins in a landslide with much more substance.

Hard to say on Mulroney. Her father wasn't very popular at the end and a lot of people now in their thirties and forties have a bad association with the name. Their formative years were spent listening to their parents complain about him. He was downright hated by many in the province in the end.

She of course deserves to be judged on her own merit, but there will always be a substantial number of people who will judge her based on her name.

[killer_carlson]

I wonder if Christine Elliott might be another name to consider. She was 2nd to Brown during the last leadership race and had a number of caucus endorsements. Lawyer by background and currently Ontario's Patient Ombudsman.

You may also recall the name because she is also the widow of Jim Flaherty.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

I have a few questions for you:
- Do you think CTV ran this without doing some due diligence?
- Do you think the women were thinking this was a gravy train and would suffer no personal consequences for telling their story?
- Do you think that this was the only instance of him doing something that should have been reported on?

Personally, I don't think these things happen in a vacuum. It's very likely that there was a lot of dirt on him and this was the tipping point. I wouldn't call it railroading, in that case.

The woman went home with him? Where is the harassment?

It never happened to me, but if a woman goes home with a man it generally leads to sex no?

I am not trying to be insensitive here but some of these women are not completely innocent.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

The woman went home with him? Where is the harassment?

It never happened to me, but if a woman goes home with a man it generally leads to sex no?

I am not trying to be insensitive here but some of these women are not completely innocent.

Have fun with that one.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Yeah, that's the impression I'm getting as well. That this behavior was "known". I would expect there to be other accusers (I mean Harvey Weinstein started with just Rose McGowen right).

I mean, his campaign staff all resigned en masse after urging him to step down... campaign staff are usually the most "ride or die" of your advisers. That they didn't defend him (and practically Rock-Bottomed him under the bus) while he was denying the accusations speaks pretty loudly in my mind.

I agree completely with this.

That being said, I did read somewhere this morning that the staffers who resigned were doing so under pressure from the PC party mucky mucks.

Its weird. Some of these allegations leave me wondering but others have me thinking there is no doubt something untoward happened...and this guy falls in the latter group.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Pretty sure it was another related thread someone called their shot Doug would be in. Kudos to that person.

https://twitter.com/user/status/958025112598564864

[Cheese]

LOL...The Ontario PCs shoot themselves in the foot again. No better time than now to get elected and I assume this will vault them right into the basement.

[CaptainCrunch]

God, Ontario voters just have a set of terrible options

Liberals - Wynne - Incompetent, incredibly dishonest, basically has driven Ontario into the the ground economically.

NDP - Horvath - Really kind of a nothing, didn't do well in the last election, her party turned on her for a while.

PC's - With the recent scandals the PC's are limping into this election, if Doug Ford runs and gets the leadership, the PC's will probably get wrecked in a campaign against Wynne and her third party assassins. I guess Riatt would be a good choice, I'm not sure about Mulrony.

[bigtmac19]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

God, Ontario voters just have a set of terrible options

Liberals - Wynne - Incompetent, incredibly dishonest, basically has driven Ontario into the the ground economically.

NDP - Horvath - Really kind of a nothing, didn't do well in the last election, her party turned on her for a while.

PC's - With the recent scandals the PC's are limping into this election, if Doug Ford runs and gets the leadership, the PC's will probably get wrecked in a campaign against Wynne and her third party assassins. I guess Riatt would be a good choice, I'm not sure about Mulrony.

Yes, it's terrible. If Wynne gets re-elected I will shoot myself, but I could see it happening with the other two candidates being who they are/may be.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

The woman went home with him? Where is the harassment?

It never happened to me, but if a woman goes home with a man it generally leads to sex no?

I am not trying to be insensitive here but some of these women are not completely innocent.

You're really bad at answering questions. It's almost impressive, really.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

The woman went home with him? Where is the harassment?

It never happened to me, but if a woman goes home with a man it generally leads to sex no?

I am not trying to be insensitive here but some of these women are not completely innocent.

Wait. Wait. Wait.

Are you suggesting that if you go out partying with your work colleagues, including your boss, and you decide to take the after party back to his house and he tried to #### you, that's not harassment? This isn't two middle managers or someone slightly in a position of power. He's effectively the CEO and she's a dime a dozen intern.

[PepsiFree]

I think the level of understanding here has been indicated by the_only’s opinion that there’s nothing wrong with:
1. Inviting someone under the legal drinking age to your house, feeding them alcohol while you drink none, and then getting them in a private room and taking out your dick

2. Waiting until you’re alone with an intern, mounting them so they can feel your erection, and kissing them.

Anyone who thinks that’s typical or acceptable behaviour has a very dangerous mindset about women and sexuality, in my opinion.

You don’t try to #### your employees, and you don’t give people who aren’t drinking age alcohol and then tell them to suck your dick.

That’s basic.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I think the level of understanding here has been indicated by the_only’s opinion that there’s nothing wrong with:
1. Inviting someone under the legal drinking age to your house, feeding them alcohol while you drink none, and then getting them in a private room and taking out your dick

2. Waiting until you’re alone with an intern, mounting them so they can feel your erection, and kissing them.

Anyone who thinks that’s typical or acceptable behaviour has a very dangerous mindset about women and sexuality, in my opinion.

You don’t try to #### your employees, and you don’t give people who aren’t drinking age alcohol and then tell them to suck your dick.

That’s basic.

1. Has there been evidence that he knew she was underage? He met her at a bar, I'm at least willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he assumed she was legal drinking age by virtue of being at said bar until there is evidence to the contrary.


2. The only issue here, and it is a big one, is that she was an intern. Everything else is meaningless.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

2. The only issue here, and it is a big one, is that she was an intern. Everything else is meaningless.

You’re right, a total normal romantic case of “if only we were in different places in our lives:”

The woman says she was extremely drunk when Brown invited her and a male friend of his to Brown’s bedroom to look at photographs of a trip to Asia stored on his iPad.

Brown's friend then left, leaving her and Brown to sit alone on the bed.
"The next thing I know he's kissing me. Sitting beside me, kissing me and then I was, I kind of just froze up. He continued to kiss me and he laid me down on the bed and got on top of me. I remember consciously trying not to move my mouth and I was just not moving, so I was laying there immobile and he kept kissing me," she said.

"I felt it was sexual. I could feel his erection on my legs when he was on top of me so I felt that it would have gone to sexual intercourse if I had not done anything," she said. "I would characterize that as a sexual assault."

I don’t know about you, but generally immobile planking isn’t something I take as a sign to keep going. Straight guys be crazy.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You’re right, a total normal romantic case of “if only we were in different places in our lives:”



I don’t know about you, but generally immobile planking isn’t something I take as a sign to keep going. Straight guys be crazy.

That's her version of events. I feel like being alone with someone in their bedroom and them making a move on you isn't totally crazy. I mean how many bedrooms do you go into when you are at people's houses?

ANd of course if she didn't stop it he was going to have sex with her, that's the point. Once she said she wasn't into it, he stopped and took her home. This is normal.

[woob]

^ Yikes.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by woob

^ Yikes.

What part of my post is yikes.