I sincerely believe that Lazaar is better than we've seen. And he's not the problem with the 4th line at all. Remember when Bennett had 0 points with subpar linemates? Now Lazaar gets to play with those bums.
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First of all, the Hamonic deal wasn't great but it's nowhere near as bad as the Brouwer deal.
Not yet, but so much depends on where "we" draft this year. It could well end up being more costly overall than the Brouwer deal. Hamonic may be better than Brouwer but he's not exactly an impact player himself. There's a reason we're more concerned about Bartkowski in than about Hamonic out right now.
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Second, it's not fair to judge the trade based on who the other team selected as we have no eveidence to suggest that's the same player the Flames would have picked.
It's very fair to judge a single-season over-30 rental vs a high draft pick (#35 overall). It's very common for at least a few good players to be available at #35 overall, as well.
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Don't forget the Gio signing until he's 39 years old.
This was actually one of Tre's few good moves that weren't executed by the amateur scouting staff.
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Lazar needs AHL time. He should be waived. Whatever that pick could be is gone. It’s all about proper asset management. Nobody is claiming him and the AHL is where he’ll find his game. He and Freddie should be down there right now leaving room for Mangiapane and Hrivik when needed. Alas - Treliving has a tendency to stick to his guns. I think Lazar with a year of top line AHL time would look a lot more ready to slot in than he does with the spot work he’s currently given.
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Should we start another thread about Hunter Smith vs a second round pick? He's been better than some 2nd rounders and worse than others. Prospects are always a gamble.
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They wanted to keep Byron, and lost on the bet no one would take him. Baertchi made it clear he wouldn't re-sign here. Granlund has benefited enormously from a shallow Canucks lineup to showcase the only thing that keeps him in the NHL: his brain.
The other guys brought in either fulfilled their roles for a time, or were gambles good GMs take. No one can predict who's going to fall off, and no one is complaining about bets that paid off.
The misses that we’ve had caused these problems to arise. If we didn’t sign or trade for guys like mason raymond or brandon bollig, we’d still have Paul Byron because we would’ve had room on the roster to keep him up. Of course you’d like to keep everyone, but when you decide to waive someone, you have to expect that they might he claimed.
Still far too many misses for my liking. For myself personally, if we are willing to be so hard on the players and expect accountability. Then i have the same expectations from upper management. As a counter, I’m actually very impressed with our amateur scouting and think they’ve done a wonderful job.
It's not necessarily who the Flames would have taken, but also the trade value of a 2nd round pick. A conditional 2nd round pick essentially got the Flames Mike Smith, without whom the season would be a disaster.
I'm not giving up on Lazar but there are a lot of players like him available on the waiver wire at any point.
Hey, I found the fire Brad Treliving thread. Welcome to the new witch hunt.
I don’t think that’s the case at all. Treliving has done an incredible job up to date. But accountability still needs to be considered here, especially with recent questionable acquisitions. We can’t let this become another “In Darryl We Trust” Era because I think we all remember how badly that turned out at the end there.
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I personally think it is a decent gamble. There is a lot to Lazar's game that is good, but he just hasn't been able to put it together. All that missing time and being rushed into the NHL hasn't helped matters. Maybe he figures it out, and maybe he doesn't. He does show flashes, and hopefully those flashes can start becoming more regular.
It is too soon to call that trade good or bad just yet, but I do think the gamble was a good one to take at the time.
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One month after Bennett demonstrated - yet again - that patience is required, and pays dividends with some young players, and... bam! right back to calling a 22 year old a bust, the moment he doesn't put it all together with 8 minutes of ice-time, every third game or so.
Team needs to keep their picks and keep drafting well in the second like they have with Dube, Anderson, Kylington. Don't take other teams garbage, especially a guy who only had 4 pts in 13 AHL games.
I personally think it is a decent gamble. There is a lot to Lazar's game that is good, but he just hasn't been able to put it together. All that missing time and being rushed into the NHL hasn't helped matters. Maybe he figures it out, and maybe he doesn't. He does show flashes, and hopefully those flashes can start becoming more regular.
It is too soon to call that trade good or bad just yet, but I do think the gamble was a good one to take at the time.
It was an excellent gamble to take. You're lucky enough if that 2nd rounder even turn out to be an NHL player, let alone a fringe one like Lazar.
I know he doesn't look like a good player now, but I'm surprised at the trashing BT is getting over this. This was a good gamble. But like all gambles, they don't all pay off. A 2nd rounder for a former 1st round pick who looked like he needed a change and had decent upside and high accolades in junior, those are exactly the kind of reclamation projects you gamble on.
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Would much rather have the pick. Treliving takes the L on this one. I wonder what they saw in this guy when they scouted him because I just didn't see the potential for this to work out.
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Don't mind that Treliving takes chances, just don't like how much he antes on his bets. A 2nd was what the Sens were hoping to get for him, and until Treliving called they likely didn't expect that return. Either Treliving isn't consulting his scouts enough, or he has the wrong scouts.
