MacDermid smokes Kase with a heavy hit

[Backlunds_socks]

Thats on Kase, good play by MacDermid.

[Poe969]

I agree with a lot of what you're saying Cali, I just think it was late because he could have let up (there was time (IMO). It was also high, it does look like Kase is bending a bit so that doesn't help.

I love that we can both watch the same play, disagree on how things happened and what should happen next, and both understand the other's point of view. And there wasn't even name calling...yet

[dash_pinched]

I haven't been able to find any word of a hearing and/or supplementary discipline for Macdermid, thus it appears the league deemed the hit to be okay.

[TheFlamesVan]

They are NHL players playing NHL players.

You let up and it's in the back of your net.

The last thing I want to see is a guy dazed on the ice, I've had a horrible concussion with a looooonnngggg endless Crosby like recovery. I can almost feel it when I see guys get hit like that. I hate seeing it.

That said, it's a dangerous game and you need to be aware and protect yourself. If he even slightly braced for impact it wouldn't have ended that badly. Again, I can't tell if the principle point of contact is the head, but if it was I wouldn't call it deliberate in this situation.

[indes]

Jesus Kase, skating right along the trolley tracks staring into space. Macdermid doesn't make that hit and Kase is alone in front of the net.

[EldrickOnIce]

Macdermid was suspended for 12 games in the AHL last season for a hit to the head.
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...b23-story.html

He's a sweetheart

[GullFoss]

I had no issue with the timing of the hit.

But he clearly made contact with the head. And he made not attempt for a shoulder on shoulder hit. So it was a dirty hit and it was high. And for that, he fully deserves a suspension

[puckedoff]

I liked the hit, lets see more of that in the NHL. (But not on our guys).

[pepper24]

Any contact to the head has no place in the game with concussions are serious things. Suspension is warranted.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I don't think that's on MacDermid at all. Kase is coming straight down the middle of the ice and just across the blue line. That's an area where a forward should expect a defenseman to step up in order to keep them out of a high danger scoring area. So what does Kase do? He dumps the puck off to the wing and then stares at his pass, looking away from the defender who had already moved toward him. If he had even the slightest bit of awareness, he would have angled away from the check, or at least looked back in his direction after he makes the pass.

It's a stupid play by Kase. MacDermid was doing his job and the end result was terrible obviously, but that's a hockey play that went wrong because the attacker wasn't aware of anything around him. The only reason to suspend MacDermid would be for incidental contact to the head. I don't think it's a predatory hit in any way. Just a hard hockey play that Kase is probably not expecting.

You can count to 3 before the hit.

The player Kase had already passed to had already put the puck on net.

Definition of interference.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

You can count to 3 before the hit.

I don't know. On the slo-mo replay maybe but in real time? That happened fast. Faster than the count of 3.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

I don't know. On the slo-mo replay maybe but in real time? That happened fast. Faster than the count of 3.

Your right

can actually count to a sold 2 on the play.

Puck no where near him .

Thats interference.

[TheFlamesVan]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Your right

can actually count to a sold 2 on the play.

Puck no where near him .

Thats interference.

Not sure why you're counting when there is a time clock for your reference. If I could post screen shots I would do so for you. Less than 1 real second.

[Azure]

There was forward motion to make the hit while the players till have the puck, but after it was passed away there is no reason to be that brutal. His head is down, he's not looking, etc, etc. Sure he was admiring his pass, but that hit isn't necessary, and certainly had zero to do with removing the player from the puck which is what hits are intended to do. And if anyone thinks it isn't possible to let up, it is. Players let up all the time. Its the difference between smoking someone from behind in the corner and not. At some point you need to just NOT make the hit when you see the guy is in a vulnerable position.

The NHL needs to make an example out of garbage like this. 20 games.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I don't think that's on MacDermid at all. Kase is coming straight down the middle of the ice and just across the blue line. That's an area where a forward should expect a defenseman to step up in order to keep them out of a high danger scoring area. So what does Kase do? He dumps the puck off to the wing and then stares at his pass, looking away from the defender who had already moved toward him. If he had even the slightest bit of awareness, he would have angled away from the check, or at least looked back in his direction after he makes the pass.

It's a stupid play by Kase. MacDermid was doing his job and the end result was terrible obviously, but that's a hockey play that went wrong because the attacker wasn't aware of anything around him. The only reason to suspend MacDermid would be for incidental contact to the head. I don't think it's a predatory hit in any way. Just a hard hockey play that Kase is probably not expecting.

You've worded this very nicely, but you're wrong on every single point.

Admiring his pass is called following the play. Well after he completed his pass.

Kase did nothing wrong. He made a perfectly acceptable hockey play. There's a reason it is called a blindside.

Hit was late, from his blindside and contacted the head. Your reasoning for blaming this on Kase is based on some antiquated thinking where we protect predatory hits that injure players and ruin careers and lives.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

It's not late. It's less than a second after he releases the puck, and when he released the puck, MacDermid is already heading into the hit.

The term "blindside" is utterly meaningless. It no longer appears anywhere in the NHL rule book, and it was a horribly stupid thing to put in to begin with. Now any time some jackass wants to argue that a hit is suspendable, they say it was a "blindside" hit. Whether the player sees it coming is not up to the guy delivering the hit. You can't make a hit into a dirty play simply by looking away from your opponent. That's insanely dumb.

Is the primary point of contact the head? Maybe. He doesn't raise up to deliberately hit the guy high, though. If he did hit him primarily in the head, it seems to be incidental to a hitting trajectory that's about as straight on as you could want given where the two players were coming from.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by TheFlamesVan

Not sure why you're counting when there is a time clock for your reference. If I could post screen shots I would do so for you. Less than 1 real second.

People still count?

[TheFlamesVan]

Originally Posted by Azure

There was forward motion to make the hit while the players till have the puck, but after it was passed away there is no reason to be that brutal. His head is down, he's not looking, etc, etc. Sure he was admiring his pass, but that hit isn't necessary, and certainly had zero to do with removing the player from the puck which is what hits are intended to do. And if anyone thinks it isn't possible to let up, it is. Players let up all the time. Its the difference between smoking someone from behind in the corner and not. At some point you need to just NOT make the hit when you see the guy is in a vulnerable position.

The NHL needs to make an example out of garbage like this. 20 games.

He glided into the hit and literally spun away from him instead of driving through like we normally see. He finished the hit but had two hands on his stick and didn't even look like a guy finishing a hit.

I don't know why this particular discussion fascinated me so much, but it was clean with an unfortunate result.

Also it happened Tuesday... nothing is coming of this.

[sempuki]

Originally Posted by TheFlamesVan

Holy moly thank you Cali.

Starting to understand more why there are such different opinions on how Flames players perform. I still don't know what replay any of you are watching here.

The one where it's 2017 and we know brain damage doesn't heal like a broken bone. The hit was illegal, and late to boot. You'll get away with late hits all the time along the boards, but going for an open ice hit you need to be in control.

I don't care if Kase closed his eyes as he crossed the blue line, if you can't control your hit to make sure you're not causing permanent brain damage, you need to back off your hit. MacDermid poorly timed his hit and didn't line Kase up properly to ensure shoulder to shoulder. If he wants to ruin two careers he can make the hit. If he wants to just put himself out of position he can not make such a ####ty check in the first place.

This isn't about hurt feelings, it's about life long brain damage here.

[TheFlamesVan]

Originally Posted by sempuki

This isn't about hurt feelings, it's about life long brain damage here.

Please see post #24.

Also I guess my bottom line point is if open ice checking is legal, this is going to happen. If you want to remove it, that's a different conversation. Granted that conversation might be worth having with today's information about brain damage and the increase in game speed.