Flames Defense Draft Picks

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

It would be interesting to know what the league average is for the number of players on an active roster who where drafted by the team they are playing for.

I don’t have real numbers, but suppose the average decent D plays for six years, it would mean teams on average need to graduate one D a year. They may not play for the team that drafted them but someone needed to draft them (in most cases). Going by this the Flames are not contributing their fair share of the league’s D.

Simplistic analysis though....

[Strange Brew]

I mean the team's record speaks for itself since 1989. They haven't been good at most things unfortunately.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Bingo

This is true ...

Sutter had one top ten, one late first, and one 2nd round defenseman taken in 8 years

Feaster no first rounders at all, 2 second rounder in three years

Treliving one late first rounder, and 2 second rounders in 4 years.

It really makes you scratch your head as each of these GMs had the same mind set that you build from the net out. Also interesting looking at the past drafts is that Treliving and Co. really likes Dman with the third pick (last year being the only year he hasn't had one). Both Hickey (64th) and Fox (66th) selected in the 3rd. A third used to go up and grab Kylington (60th).

[Poe969]

And in a way, the Flames used a first round pick and got Dougie. They may not have drafted him but getting a guy like him for picks is just as good as drafting him.

[Flamesfan2010]

Originally Posted by Backlunds_socks

Agreed, Kulak, Andersson, Valimaki and who else?

Fox

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Robbob

From what I hear Kylington has been making some pretty good progress.

Both Kylington and Andersson have 7 points in 9 games down in Stockton, good start to the season for the 20 and 21 year old.

Hopefully Fox and Valimaki down there next year and one of those two make the jump.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by JFK

Both Kylington and Andersson have 7 points in 9 games down in Stockton, good start to the season for the 20 and 21 year old.

Hopefully Fox and Valimaki down there next year and one of those two make the jump.

Lou was talking about the young Dmen (I think on a post game show), he think Valimaki will probably be the first to make the jump out of the young Dmen.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Poe969

And in a way, the Flames used a first round pick and got Dougie. They may not have drafted him but getting a guy like him for picks is just as good as drafting him.

and Hamonic.

The Flames have 2 first and 4 seconds of their draft picks currently on their blue line.....

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by JFK

Both Kylington and Andersson have 7 points in 9 games down in Stockton, good start to the season for the 20 and 21 year old.

Hopefully Fox and Valimaki down there next year and one of those two make the jump.

They have a challenging job breaking into the Flames over the next 3 years as the Flames have signed 5 guys with the only one not in their prime years being Gio.

Seems like the players that end up being solid NHLers tend to follow Brodie's progression of 1 full AHL season and another part to get the grasp of the pro game. Even undrafted Gio had only 2 full AHL seasons.

Hamonic had 19 AHL games. Stone a season and a half. Hamilton no AHL games.

The time for Kylington and Andersson is now.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

They have a challenging job breaking into the Flames over the next 3 years as the Flames have signed 5 guys with the only one not in their prime years being Gio...

I believe that one of Stone or Hamonic will be traded in the next two years to make room for a young player.

[bubbsy]

As bad as the flames drafting history has been, it would be a bit unfair to be overly critical more recently.

We basically completed the bottoming out part of the rebuild by drafting 6th, 4th, 6th. No lottery picks involved, yet the team put together with plenty of youth, is still looked at as a playoff contending team regularly. The only real questionable picks for me were the use of the two 2nd rounders in 2014 (macdonald, smith).

For those counting flames dmen drafting, you gotta count Hickey as another dman with strong potential, no?

[18YrOldSamBennett]

Originally Posted by heep223

Kylington

Would you put Fox in that category?

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[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Sutter especially avoided dmen like the plague

I'm not sure that's terribly accurate. He just had more pressing needs at forward. He picked a 1000 game player in Phaneuf, got Brodie on the cheap and pulled Giordano out of thin air. That on a team that already had Regehr, Warrener, Lydman, etc. We already had signs of decent depth at defence back in those years, which is why his focus was consistently on forwards.

[18YrOldSamBennett]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

They have a challenging job breaking into the Flames over the next 3 years as the Flames have signed 5 guys with the only one not in their prime years being Gio.

Seems like the players that end up being solid NHLers tend to follow Brodie's progression of 1 full AHL season and another part to get the grasp of the pro game. Even undrafted Gio had only 2 full AHL seasons.

Hamonic had 19 AHL games. Stone a season and a half. Hamilton no AHL games.

The time for Kylington and Andersson is now.

Kylington will have 3 years in the AHL before he is the same age Brodie broke into the league. You have to consider the league each player was in during their draft year. Kylington was an 18 year old in the AHL and Anderson was 19. I think Andersson is ready to play and Kylington will push next year. Andersson will be 22 and Kylington will be 21 so the age that they push for spots will be similar to Brodie.

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[SuperMatt18]

Since about 1990 we just don't draft well in general - I don't think it's limited to just d-men. Especially during a 20 year period from about 1990 until 2010.

Stillman, Titov, Gauthier, Morris, Lydman, Saprykin, Kobasew, Moss, Lombardi, Nystrom, Phaneuf, Backlund, Brodie, Ferland.

Probably the only players drafted in those 20 years that had a real "impact" to the team and played in our Top 9 FWDs or Top 4 D.

If anything our drafting of d-men has been better than our drafting of FWDs. But both were atrocious during that 20 year period.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

They have a challenging job breaking into the Flames over the next 3 years as the Flames have signed 5 guys with the only one not in their prime years being Gio.

Seems like the players that end up being solid NHLers tend to follow Brodie's progression of 1 full AHL season and another part to get the grasp of the pro game. Even undrafted Gio had only 2 full AHL seasons.

Hamonic had 19 AHL games. Stone a season and a half. Hamilton no AHL games.

The time for Kylington and Andersson is now.

And with this sort of thinking in mind, BT needs to make some tough decisions.

Fox and Vilimaki have a bit higher ceiling than Kylington and Anderson and certainly not all 4 are going to play for the Calgary Flames, so I hope BT is looking at some options to recoup some picks here or considering targeting a player at the deadline perhaps?

But I would hate to watch one of or three of Felkovsky, Fox, Valimaki, Andersson or Kylington over ripened and eventually degress.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

And with this sort of thinking in mind, BT needs to make some tough decisions.

Fox and Vilimaki have a bit higher ceiling than Kylington and Anderson and certainly not all 4 are going to play for the Calgary Flames, so I hope BT is looking at some options to recoup some picks here or considering targeting a player at the deadline perhaps?

But I would hate to watch one of or three of Felkovsky, Fox, Valimaki, Andersson or Kylington over ripened and eventually degress.

Falkovsky is playing in LA's organization as of this offseason.

Fox will likely turn pro after his season at Harvard - his path to the big leagues could be similar to Jankowski where he will likely spend at least one full year in the AHL. I estimate Fox to be about two and a half seasons away - he'd be the first call-up on RD that year.

Andersson and Kylington are probably ready next year. We'd be trading Stone away and letting Kulak walk to make room though. It would be a purely asset management perspective. I was keenly disappointed when he didn't supplant Kulak in the preseason, but it seems to be paying off for Brett and the Flames now.

Valimaki is unique in that he might be NHL ready faster than the other two. However, he's likely being viewed as a potential replacement for Gio on the top-pairing (when was the last time we had a D prospect with this high of a ceiling?) and will be given ample AHL time to get his professional legs under him and to handle heavy minutes in all situations, against high levels of competition. He will need to learn to handle all this responsibility and play at a high level day-in and day-out.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I'm not sure that's terribly accurate. He just had more pressing needs at forward. He picked a 1000 game player in Phaneuf, got Brodie on the cheap and pulled Giordano out of thin air. That on a team that already had Regehr, Warrener, Lydman, etc. We already had signs of decent depth at defence back in those years, which is why his focus was consistently on forwards.

I'm just stating facts.

Hoping he didn't see Warrener and Lydman in the now as a reason to ignore defenseman in the future.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by Backlunds_socks

Listening to the Fan this morning they had an interesting conversion: The Flames suck at drafting D-men.

Since Gary Suter they've only drafted Phaneuf and Brodie as the only notable topish pairing D-men.

But then again there have been the likes of Gauthier, Morris and Lydman.

But the fact remains the list is not very extensive.

to the OP

seems like you are habitually anti-flames and then predictably "why does everybody pile on me?"

i have an honest question, if you're not a voice for negativity

then...

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

They have a challenging job breaking into the Flames over the next 3 years as the Flames have signed 5 guys with the only one not in their prime years being Gio.

Seems like the players that end up being solid NHLers tend to follow Brodie's progression of 1 full AHL season and another part to get the grasp of the pro game. Even undrafted Gio had only 2 full AHL seasons.

Hamonic had 19 AHL games. Stone a season and a half. Hamilton no AHL games.

The time for Kylington and Andersson is now.

You want it challenging.

If the NHL team has nothing then kids get promoted prematurely and gifted jobs; we've seen how that works out.

If Kylington or Andersson or Fox or Valimaki kick the door down then the Flames are in a great position to move a veteran for a high pick. That's a great scenario.