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Old 11-01-2017, 08:00 AM   #21
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Watched a documentary about Uzbekistan a couple of years ago.

The government have been having a lot of trouble with Islamic terrorism and propoganda there

Religion of peace strikes again
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Old 11-01-2017, 08:21 AM   #22
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So is Trump going to add Uzbekistan to his Muslim ban? I'm sure his administration is hard at work crafting version 4.0 as we speak.
This particular Islamist came in with the Green Card Lottery. Which is unfortunately closed to Canadians(too many of us already) wanting a job in Hawaii.

Expect the GCL to be done away with, I believe there is already a movement to cancel it.
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Old 11-01-2017, 08:40 AM   #23
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Yes. Why not ?
Well because where do you stop? If the guy was a Canadian citizen, do they ban all Canadians? Or from the UK? At some point this all becomes ridiculous and unfeasible.
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Religion of peace strikes again
Polak strikes again.
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Old 11-01-2017, 10:44 AM   #25
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Well because where do you stop? If the guy was a Canadian citizen, do they ban all Canadians? Or from the UK? At some point this all becomes ridiculous and unfeasible.
His point is many of the offending countries don't have the screening or internal intelligence agencies in place to ensure the safety or knowledge of backgrounds of people coming in.

Makes sense though - do you really think the Somalian gov't (basically in shambles since late 80s) has solid controls on ID processes, passports, background checks, etc? How do you know John Doe from there is really John Doe and isn't some known terrorist? OR if they have no intel agencies working to identify the threats.

They're under no obligation to accept immigrants from these nations, so why take additional risk if you can get others from elsewhere that are safer?
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Old 11-01-2017, 10:57 AM   #26
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By all accounts this guy, upon arriving in the USA in 2010, was not radical or even overly religious upon arrival. He became disillusioned with the West after finding out how hard it was to make it with random labour/driving jobs. He turned to the internet and became radical.

Screening prior to entering the USA would have done nothing here. And yes, Trump is already making a big push to end the green card lottery:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41825340
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Old 11-01-2017, 11:13 AM   #27
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His point is many of the offending countries don't have the screening or internal intelligence agencies in place to ensure the safety or knowledge of backgrounds of people coming in.

Makes sense though - do you really think the Somalian gov't (basically in shambles since late 80s) has solid controls on ID processes, passports, background checks, etc? How do you know John Doe from there is really John Doe and isn't some known terrorist? OR if they have no intel agencies working to identify the threats.

They're under no obligation to accept immigrants from these nations, so why take additional risk if you can get others from elsewhere that are safer?
Doesn't some of the onus lie on the US intelligence services too? In this case, they presumably didn't just rely on Uzbek intel and would've done their own investigating prior to giving this guy permanent residency.

Punishing a whole country based on the actions of one is ridiculous though (especially when they turn their heads the other way when it comes to Saudi Arabia - the source nationality of most of the terrorist acts against them) Remember back in school, when one kid did something bad, and if nobody spoke up, then the teacher punished the whole class? We all thought "But that's not fair!!" If we could figure that out at that age, why are we arguing about it as adults?

Agreed though that they're a sovereign nation and have no obligation to allow anybody in.

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Old 11-01-2017, 11:15 AM   #28
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So is Trump going to add Uzbekistan to his Muslim ban? I'm sure his administration is hard at work crafting version 4.0 as we speak.
Start with effing Saudi Arabia. but of course he won't.
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