Watching the game as I work and so many things stand out to me. How small the goalies look for one thing, and how much better a skater I am than Mel Bridgeman, lol.
Also - how great were Bob Cole and Dan Kelly at calling the games. In contrast, I find Jim Hughson really flat and rather dull.
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Watching the game as I work and so many things stand out to me. How small the goalies look for one thing. Also - how great were Bob Cole and Dan Kelly at calling the games. In contrast, I find Jim Hughson really flat and rather dull.
Goaltenders then were small and for the most part terrible (vastly inferior goaltending techniques based mostly on angles and reflexes) by today's standards and talent at the position lagged behind the boom of offensive talent. It is one of the main reasons the 80's were the pinnacle of offensive NHL hockey. Things started to change when Patrick Roy stormed the league with his butterfly style that lent to more athletic goaltender play as well as coaches developing better defensive systems. Now we are kind of on the opposite side of the spectrum with proven defensive systems, large goaltenders, and ridiculously oversized equipment where it's hard to score for even the most gifted players.
I don't care what era; he was the best goal scorer ever!
Well, Gretzky's and Bossy's prime basically overlapped. And Wayne outscored him by quite a bit. And destroyed him in assists. With both players playing for high scoring powerhouse teams.
Well, Gretzky's and Bossy's prime basically overlapped. And Wayne outscored him by quite a bit. And destroyed him in assists. With both players playing for high scoring powerhouse teams.
Mike Bossy scored over 50 goals every season of his career outside of his last where he only played in 63 games. He's the all time NHL leader at goals scored per game at a clip of 0.762 which is considerably higher than Gretzky who is 7th all time in that metric. If anything you can argue Lemiex gives him a run as while Gretzky's had an incredible run of eight years his goal scoring prowess really tailed off in the 2nd half of his career.
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Mike Bossy retired at age 30. If Gretzky had retired at age 30, he would have had a career scoring rate of 0.763 goals per game. Just saying.
But he didn't. I'm sure if Bossy played into longer into his 30's his goals per game would have dropped to around Lemieux level but still ahead of Gretzky. Bobby Orr retired early as well and that's something out of the player's control but that shouldn't take away from his accomplishment.
But he didn't. I'm sure if Bossy played into longer into his 30's his goals per game would have dropped to around Lemieux level but still ahead of Gretzky
That's weird logic.
If you compare Gretzky and Bossy over their first ten seasons, which is the only period of in which you are able to compare them, Gretzky beats out Bossy by around 60 goals.
That makes Gretzky the better goal scorer, minus some kind of hypothetical argument that Bossy's goal scoring in his 30's would have been better than Gretzky's.
I mean, its possible, but Gretzky was the better goal scorer going by the actual results on the ice.
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I met him once at a card show in the early 90's. All he could talk about was his back injuries and how it aged him and caused him to retire. You could see the pain in his face.
If you compare Gretzky and Bossy over their first ten seasons, which is the only period of in which you are able to compare them, Gretzky beats out Bossy by around 60 goals.
That makes Gretzky the better goal scorer, minus some kind of hypothetical argument that Bossy's goal scoring in his 30's would have been better than Gretzky's.
I mean, its possible, but Gretzky was the better goal scorer going by the actual results on the ice.
Jesus, you 'tonians are so petty. It's almost universally accepted that Gretzky is the best player ever, but you just can't stand that people might suggest that another player was his equal or better at a specific part of the game.
I'm the one who pointed out that Gretzky equalled Bossy's goal-scoring per game up to the age when Bossy retired. Call me petty if you like, but don't call me Edmontonian. That's just being a jerk.
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If you compare Gretzky and Bossy over their first ten seasons, which is the only period of in which you are able to compare them, Gretzky beats out Bossy by around 60 goals.
That makes Gretzky the better goal scorer, minus some kind of hypothetical argument that Bossy's goal scoring in his 30's would have been better than Gretzky's.
I mean, its possible, but Gretzky was the better goal scorer going by the actual results on the ice.
gretzky scored more goals but that doesn't make him the better sniper.
even gretzky himself said he wasn't a great goal scorer.
I do think Mike Bossy benefits from being injured. He only had a peak and never had that gradual decline that changes how people remember him. He was great but using era adjusted numbers he has lots of company. Without debate a top 10 goal scorer ever.
Not to be a homer but Iggy era adjusted peak match Bossy's peak.
I do think Mike Bossy benefits from being injured. He only had a peak and never had that gradual decline that changes how people remember him. He was great but using era adjusted numbers he has lots of company. Without debate a top 10 goal scorer ever.
Not to be a homer but Iggy era adjusted peak match Bossy's peak.
Really it's doubtful he would have had anywhere near the decline in goals Gretzky did as unlike Wayne (had a below average shot) he had an all time elite release and shot. I believe personally a reason Gretzky's goals scoring prowess really dropped off in the back half of his career is because goaltenders got a lot better in the late 80's going forward. I'm not taking anything away from him but if you look at a lot of his goals in his early years a lot of them were pretty laughable by todays standards and I subscribe to the theory below that shows the increase in goaltending save percentage in line with his decrease in goal scoring prowess. It must be noted that Mario Lemieux or Brett Hull were largely unaffected by the increase in goaltending quality and I believe Bossy would have still scored plenty of goals because of his quick release and shot which was something Gretzky didn't have.
I think you need to make this assessments outside of stats alone. And in that sense Bossy was the better goal scorer - if you are looking at that skill in isolation.
Wayne scored goals by having out of the world elite hockey sense, not because he was the best pure goal scorer, which is also why he was never great on penalty shots.
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