Should we be going for Ovie?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Itse

Obviously a great player, but I don't see how we could fit him under the salary cap, so seems like a moo point to me.

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Getting Ovechkin would probably mean not being able to afford Backlund and Frolik, so no.

As much as I love Backlund and Frolik, I'd rather have Ovechkin on the wing over those two.

[Igottago]

So it seems a lot of people wouldn't want the most prolific goal scorer in the game on the team?

I would certainly welcome it. Depending on what was given up of course. I think the Flames have the assets to make the caps an interesting offer without gutting the team.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Because of the cap requirements and because Washington is a "win-now" team, they are going to want a star player in return for Ovechkin.

Personally, I don't think the Caps will trade him because he generates a lot of revenue for the team.

The Caps certainly do not make the deal with thoughts of a rebuild as they have many good pieces there today. They could use code so space however so signing Oshie and Shattenkirk could happen if they can clear a good chunk of Ovie's cap hit (THN trade with Calgary had them netting $5M in cap space in the deal).

If the year want a star in return the Perry suggestion is likely the type of deal they would be looking at.

Tough thing with a player like Ovie is he is a guy you would really want out of the conference or at the very least division. That eliminates several suitors.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The Caps certainly do not make the deal with thoughts of a rebuild as they have many good pieces there today. They could use code so space however so signing Oshie and Shattenkirk could happen if they can clear a good chunk of Ovie's cap hit (THN trade with Calgary had them netting $5M in cap space in the deal).

If the year want a star in return the Perry suggestion is likely the type of deal they would be looking at.

Tough thing with a player like Ovie is he is a guy you would really want out of the conference or at the very least division. That eliminates several suitors.

I agree that the Caps aren't in a rebuild. But with that in mind, what good does signing Oshie and Shattenkirk (presumably for more money) do if you don't have Ovechkin? They lost in the second round with all three of those guys. So you net $5M - use some of that to pay Oshie and Shattenkirk more and have something left to sign a lesser winger to replace Ovechkin? It makes no sense for the Caps.

[Macho0978]

Before game 6 against the penguins there was a stat that AO had 10 goals and 10 assists in 19 career elimination playoff games. I think his lack of success comes from fans that won't give enough credit to Crosby and the Penguins. Its hard to score in the playoffs, games are usually low scoring and tightly checked games. Even Sid has gone 12 straight finals games without a goal and has gone goalless in 20 of 22 finals games.

Of course what you give up matters but if Brouwer goes back and the best assets we lose if Fox or Kylington with 1 first sign me up.

I also don't see what Frolik has done to get a massive raise and Backlund won't get more than what he currently makes plus Stajan and Bouma's salary.

No chance you pass up an opportunity to get a player like AO, but no way the Caps trade him for a package like that unless they can resign Shattenkirk, Oshie and Alzner. If they can it makes a bit more sense as they won't have the cap space to keep these guys and sign Orlov and Kuznetsov without moving AO

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I agree that the Caps aren't in a rebuild. But with that in mind, what good does signing Oshie and Shattenkirk (presumably for more money) do if you don't have Ovechkin? They lost in the second round with all three of those guys. So you net $5M - use some of that to pay Oshie and Shattenkirk more and have something left to sign a lesser winger to replace Ovechkin? It makes no sense for the Caps.

It does make sense for the caps as they have about 22 million in cap space with UFA's like Shattenkirk, Alzner and Oshie as well as RFA's like Kuznetsov and Orlov. Pencil in what you think they will get and it's quite a bit more than 22 million and all the above will make less than AO and are younger. No matter what direction they go they will be losing good players but the UFA's won't bring back assets like AO will

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

THN trade suggestion of 2018 1st, Brouwer, and Fox was of course a hell yeah

RumorBreak saying Bennett, Kylington, multiple 1sts is a big hell no.

It sounds like the Caps are going to test the waters of an ovechkin trade this summer but that is going to be a near impossible trade to pull off

Perhaps a deal like Ovie for Perry+Montour/Theodore would work? Both teams are looking to shake things up to get over the top. Perry is signed to a big money deal but isn't putting up the numbers like Ovie so the Ducks add a good young D which they have to spare to offset the value?

ESPN also has Calgary listed in their Ovie article
http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/1...-alex-ovechkin

Calgary Flames

The Flames returned to the Stanley Cup playoffs this season and would do almost anything to keep pace with their provincial rivals in Edmonton. Ovechkin would eat up nearly half of their $28.1 million in cap space, but he'd be a nice addition to a lineup that includes dynamic forwards Johnny Gaudreau and Sean Monahan.

The Flames would need to shed salary in the deal, and with three years and $13.5 million remaining on his contract, former Capitals right winger Troy Brouwer could be offered a return trip to D.C. Of course, the Caps would want a first-round pick or a top prospect in the deal. And since the Flames have just one pick in the first three rounds (16th overall), the Caps could demand rookie Matthew Tkachuk, who has a little Dale Hunter in him.

[MarkGio]

Yes. Ovy only has four years left on his contract. If salary retention is a possibility and Ovy is willing to come here, it's a no brainer.

People calling Ovy lazy and a floater are only thinking about his last few seasons. For many years he was a leader in hits. He just needs a change of scenery.

This checks off many boxes for the Flames. 6'3" body checking winger with right handed snipe and good for 30-50 goals? Yes please.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I agree that the Caps aren't in a rebuild. But with that in mind, what good does signing Oshie and Shattenkirk (presumably for more money) do if you don't have Ovechkin? They lost in the second round with all three of those guys. So you net $5M - use some of that to pay Oshie and Shattenkirk more and have something left to sign a lesser winger to replace Ovechkin? It makes no sense for the Caps.

Caps have some nice pieces where they could move Ovie and still be a very competitive team. Keeping some of the high value assets they are likepymgoing to lose for nothing would help.

I don't see many teams offering a comparable player on a blockbuster swap for Ovie. The other option is get back picks/prospects/cap space and build the team around Backstrom/Kuznetsov. This only happens if both the player and organization feel they have gone as far as they could together.

This is going to be a near impossible trade to occur and result in a win for the Caps

[442scotty]

No no no no.... and no...

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Igottago

So it seems a lot of people wouldn't want the most prolific goal scorer in the game on the team?

I would certainly welcome it. Depending on what was given up of course. I think the Flames have the assets to make the caps an interesting offer without gutting the team.

The problem is the context. You don't acquire an Alex Ovechkin to continue a rebuild. You acquire him because you expect to win a Cup this year or next. If we're not in that position, then giving up what it would cost for a guy who will be 32 when the season starts is not good asset management.

I think, however this is all a 'moo' point anyway. From the Caps perspective, it is unlikely they are plotting a rebuild, so would be looking at a star-for-star deal and a player who can put them over the top right now. We can't offer anything that fits that bill.

[Flames_F.T.W]

If it didn't cost a core young player I'm all for acquiring Ovechkin. Big salary sure, but it's only for a handful more years-- and I think OV would still be a perennial 30-40 goal scorer at the end of his contract. I think we could make it work financially, but I imagine Washington would want something substantial. I'd be fine with any combo of picks and prospects... but Bennett and Tkachuk are off limits

[Roof-Daddy]

In a bubble yes of course you want Ovechkin.

Things you have to consider though are:

1. What are we giving up to acquire him?
2. Is he going to F off late next season for the Olympics?

Imagine giving up good young assets for him, and then just as the stretch drive to the playoffs starts next winter, he leaves the team to go play for Russia in the Olympics and then to the KHL because he would most assuredly be suspended by the NHL if that happened.

[dash_pinched]

Originally Posted by Itse

Obviously a great player, but I don't see how we could fit him under the salary cap, so seems like a moo point to me.

Spoiler!

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

ESPN also has Calgary listed in their Ovie article
http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/1...-alex-ovechkin

Massive no to Tkachuk obviously but the article mentions Brouwer, 1st and top prospect (Fox) which is similar to THN article suggests.

Buffalo with a deal centered around Kane or the Pathents with Smith/Bjustad seen like much better packages than the Flames offer

[TheFlamesVan]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

As much as I love Backlund and Frolik, I'd rather have Ovechkin on the wing over those two.

You'd rather have a one dimensional winger than a Centreman AND winger who can play all rolls and match up against most lines?

This is how you put fans in the stands in the states. Not how you win championships.

[MarkGio]

What would you rather have:

Option A) Brouwer + Stajan + Bouma good for 22 goals
Option B) Ovechkin good for 33 goals

Keep in mind option A has a higher cap hit next season.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

What would you rather have:

Option A) Brouwer + Stajan + Bouma good for 22 goals
Option B) Ovechkin good for 33 goals

Keep in mind option A has a higher cap hit next season.

Haha. Ouch

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

First thing that jumped into my head: Ovi for Draisaitl.

I'm just saying.